Famous KJVO theologians?

[Daniel1654]

Jack Van Impe

Benny Hinn

Joel Osteen

Do I need to go on?

Ah, WHAT?

 

[annsni]

Lotsa theologians lived in the time when the KJV was the only English version readily available to them. Impossible to say whether or not they'da used another version or versions had any been around at the time. I'd say any such list would hafta be limited to modern theologians who DID or DO have a choice of versions.

Was there a time that the KJV was the only available translation? I thought that even when the KJV came out, there were other English versions that were available - and since then, there were other versions throughout the years that were valid.

 

[Rippon]

Was there a time that the KJV was the only available translation? I thought that even when the KJV came out, there were other English versions that were available - and since then, there were other versions throughout the years that were valid.

You are right . The slew of versions before the release of the 1611 Royal Version is a witness against authentic KJVO-ism . Even the most extreme KJVO-folks today would also embrace the Geneva , Bishop's Coverdale etc.as being legitimate translations .

 

[Daniel1654]

Was there a time that the KJV was the only available translation? I thought that even when the KJV came out, there were other English versions that were available - and since then, there were other versions throughout the years that were valid.

There was the German translation, I'm not sure about the date,
But in the English versions there was the Geneva translation in 1560 and 1599,
http://www.genevabible.org/Geneva.html
I am told that it was the bible King James used before he authorized his version.
I purchased a Geneva bible with the modern spelling fro Monergism books, but I have found errors in it as well as others.
The person with the web-site that I posted is also publishing one but is doing a more painstaking proof read.
I will wait for that one.
I must add monergism did say that they will refund my money though.
Tolle Lege press who published the bible pretty much said to bad. wait for the fourth publication and buy that one. I will not.

 

[EdSutton]

Are there any famous theologians who have been KJVO? I cannot think of any but that doesn't mean there might not have been any. I was just thinking about this last night. I don't want to debate the issue - just know if there are any well known theologians or well respected men of God who had this stance.

Last time I checked, most of those I consider among the 50-odd premier theologians of all time, are not KJVO, and/or several of them do even speak English, at all, as the native language.

You might search out some of these names. They would include, among some others, David Jeremiah, Johannes Immanuel, Simon Jacobus, Matt Solomon, and 'Zeke' Daniels, none of the names of whom, I hear mentioned as frequently as one might actually expect. :thumbsup:

Ed.

 

[exscentric]

What is meant by "theologian" would be the place to start. Is it one that has written a work on theology? Is it one that likes to study the works of theologians? Is it someone that preaches? Is it someone that ...... ?

Merriam-Webster mentions "a specialist in theology"

When I think of theologians I think of Strong, Chafer, Cambron, Erickson, Bancroft, Hodges etc.

Of those that have written works I know of none that are KJVO, though I have not read them all :smilewinkgrin: Nor would any mentioned thus far fit into my thoughts of theologian. :thumbs:

 

[EdSutton]

What is meant by "theologian" would be the place to start. Is it one that has written a work on theology? Is it one that likes to study the works of theologians? Is it someone that preaches? Is it someone that ...... ?

Merriam-Webster mentions "a specialist in theology"

When I think of theologians I think of Strong, Chafer, Cambron, Erickson, Bancroft, Hodges etc.

Of those that have written works I know of none that are KJVO, though I have not read them all :smilewinkgrin: Nor would any mentioned thus far fit into my thoughts of theologian. :thumbs:

Out of curiosity, who exactly, are the "Strong", "Cambron", "Bancroft", and "Hodges" you are referring to? I'm fairly sure I know who Chafer and Erikson are.

But I am also somewhat aware of more than one of most of the others names, or very similar names that you might be referring to.

Ed

 

[Palatka51]

This board has become a battering ram for any that advocate modernism and for bashing KJV users. This site is quickly becoming an effective divisive weapon of the adversary.
What did Johnathan Edwards use? Charles H. Spurgeon et al.

 

[annsni]

This board has become a battering ram for any that advocate modernism and for bashing KJV users. This site is quickly becoming an effective divisive weapon of the adversary.
What did Johnathan Edwards use? Charles H. Spurgeon et al.

I certainly will not bash any KJV user - especially since my own pastor is one! However, I have been reading a lot about the KJV only crowd both here and off BB, and I was thinking about the idea of who else was KJVO? Were there any well known, well respected men of God who were KJVO? I understand that many USED the KJV but did they feel that any other version was in error and that the KJV was inerrant and doubly inspired? I see these ideas from those who believe this and wonder if this is a newer belief or is it one that many have held for years and others have strayed from it? That is my reason for asking.

 

[tinytim]

Peter Ruckman... He would fit the description of a theologian...
Although most KJVOs run from his style of KJVOism..

Schaap, current pastor of Hyles' old church...
All the teachers in his Pastor's college...

The editor of the Sword of the Lord... Can't remember his name now.

But all of those are current ones.

 

[Palatka51]

I certainly will not bash any KJV user - especially since my own pastor is one! However, I have been reading a lot about the KJV only crowd both here and off BB, and I was thinking about the idea of who else was KJVO? Were there any well known, well respected men of God who were KJVO? I understand that many USED the KJV but did they feel that any other version was in error and that the KJV was inerrant and doubly inspired? I see these ideas from those who believe this and wonder if this is a newer belief or is it one that many have held for years and others have strayed from it? That is my reason for asking.

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Rippon]

This board has become a battering ram for any that advocate modernism and for bashing KJV users. This site is quickly becoming an effective divisive weapon of the adversary.
What did Johnathan Edwards use? Charles H. Spurgeon et al.

You have a defective understanding of modernism if by that you think the use of versions other than the KJV qulaifies for that designation .

Charles Spurgeon loved the KJV , but he appreciated the RV and quoted from it approvinly o number of times . In the 1850's he even advocated an updating of the KJV , long before the making of the Revised Version of the 1880's.

 

[Rippon]

When I think of theologians I think of Strong, Chafer, Cambron, Erickson, Bancroft, Hodges etc.

:thumbs:

I have never heard of Cambron and Bancroft . Are you referring to Zane Hodges ? I would think A.A. Hodge and his more famous father Charles would be of better caliber .

 

[Rippon]

Peter Ruckman... He would fit the description of a theologian...
Although most KJVOs run from his style of KJVOism..

Schaap, current pastor of Hyles' old church...
All the teachers in his Pastor's college...

The editor of the Sword of the Lord... Can't remember his name now.

But all of those are current ones.

The idea of what constitutes a theologian would be debased if the likes of Ruckman qualifies as one .

 

[Logos1560]

who exactly, are the "Strong", "Cambron", "Bancroft", and "Hodges" you are referring to? I'm fairly sure I know who Chafer and Erikson are.

Ed

Strong would likely be referring to Baptist theologian Augustus Hopkins Strong (1836-1921) who wrote a Systematic Theology that was used as a textbook at some seminaries. Cambron may refer to Baptist Mark G. Cambron, author of Bible Doctrines Beliefs that Matter that was published by Zondervan in 1954 and that was reprinted several times up through at least 1974. Hodges may refer to Presbyterian Charles Hodge (1797-1878) who wrote a three volume Systematic Theology.

 

[EdSutton]

This board has become a battering ram for any that advocate modernism and for bashing KJV users. This site is quickly becoming an effective divisive weapon of the adversary.
What did Johnathan Edwards use? Charles H. Spurgeon et al.

Out of curiosity, who specifically, are you suggesting is one of this unnamed 'group' that is one of those whom are of the "any that advocate modernism" crowd?

And who is one of those that are "bashing KJV users", as well?

Apparently I have missed some you have seen, for I have seen very few (although not to say absolutely none) of either flavor. And I do happen to have a few more posts and a somewhat longer tenure than you do, at the BB, for whatever that may be worth.

"Modern worship practices", "contemporary worship styles", 'contemporary' church music, etc. as also the mis-named, as it is usually used, "Modern Versions", 'preference' of some individuals, do not by definition, constitute either "modernism", or "bashing KJV users". Nor does calling attention to "which" KJV one is using, for that matter, consitute any 'bashing of any KJV user', for I do believe it is, at a minimum, disingenuous, if not downright dishonest, to claim to use a 1611 KJV, and in actuality, knowingly use a 1762 or 1769 edition, for example, and then claim the two are 'really, exactly the same, etc..

I myself, have primarily used a KJV for most of my Christian life, including one particular copy (a 1967 KJV edition), for over 25 years (although I have often used various other editions, translations, and versions alongside in comparison), until that copy was taken from my cab, one night, apparently. Then, since none of my other Bibles were, to my satisfaction, a suitable, everyday substitute for my own now 'disappeared' KJV, I went out and bought me a new one.

I suspect Jonathan Edwards would likely have used mainly, if not exclusively, one or more editions of the KJV, as an 'everyday' English version of Scripture, for he would have had little access to other English versions for 'ordinary' use. Charles H. Spurgeon certainly would have had access to multiple English versions, for much of his ministry, and I do not know which particular versions and editions he may or may not have used, but suggest it is guess-work (or an agenda), at best, to assume or imply that C. H. Spurgeon used 'only' the 'KJV', absent some evidence to suggest this. (I have no clue about any unnamed "et al".)

I would offer that Jonathan Edwards was, at the time of his death, the President of Princeton, and Charles H. Spurgeon, who founded and served as the head of a Theological College for 35 years, undoubtedly had access to multiple editions of the Bible, and certainly would have had more access to more versions, translations, copies, and editions than an 'average dude', such as 'Yours truly'.

Kinda' goes with the territory of being "in academia".

Ed

 

[swaimj]

Wally Beebe was KJV-only, but he would not be classifed a "theologian."

Yes. I added a smiley face behind my quote because Wally Beebe was certainly no theologian.

 

[exscentric]

"Out of curiosity, who exactly, are the "Strong", "Cambron", "Bancroft", and "Hodges" you are referring to? I'm fairly sure I know who Chafer and Erikson are."

Lewis S. Chafer had a 7 volume Systematic theology that was out of print -- Walvoord did a redo of it in two volumes but don't think it was widely accepted - the seven volume is out now in three volumes as I remember.

Strong has been mentioned, a large book with fine print in my edition.

Cambron is as has been mentioned. His book has doctrine as part of its title but has good depth for such a short work when compared with others.

Ebery H. Bancroft wrote two books on theology - Christian Theology and Elemental Theology. Taught at what is now Baptist Bible College and School of Theology - Clarks Summit.

Charles Hodge: Taught at Princeton.

Should have mentioned some of the Dallas works though not systematic but they cover different points of systematic - Walvoord's on the Holy Spirit and Pentacost's on end times.

Gill should have been mentioned, an old time Baptist (get me out of the dog house for mentioning so many non baptists

Millard J. Erickson's Christian Theology. (Bethel College and Seminary)

There is also Louis Berkhof's SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY

Miley has a three volume work SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY; He taught at Drew Theologicial Seminary and reflects the Wesleyan end of the spectrum.

I think "theologian" relates to someone that has spent a large amount of time in study of theology as opposed to Bible study though theology is also Bible study and Bible study is also theology. Bible study relates more to the verse by verse of pastoring/bible teaching while theology attempts to systematize or as critics say "Put God into a bunch of boxes." :thumbsup:

 

[EdSutton]

Last time I checked, most of those I consider among the 50-odd premier theologians of all time, are not KJVO, and/or several of them do even speak English, at all, as the native language.

You might search out some of these names. They would include, among some others, David Jeremiah, Johannes Immanuel, Simon Jacobus, Matt Solomon, and 'Zeke' Daniels, none of the names of whom, I hear mentioned as frequently as one might actually expect. :thumbsup:

Ed.

Hasn't anyone heard of some of these names that I consider among the premier theologians?? That certainly seems strange, to me.

Oops, I spotted a typo, I made. Should have been Daniel, above.

Ed

 

[exscentric]

I don't know any except Jeremiah and this is why I suggested defining "theologian" since Jeremiah would not fit into my thought but he doeds yours :thumbs:

That was said not knowing a lot about the man other than tv appearance.