Father Forgive Them

[Skandelon]

Calv1: You are the moderator, does that mean if I disagree with you I'm in trouble?????? I will be as kind as can be!!!!

:laugh:
I'm just one of the moderators and you are more than welcome to disagree as long as you don't attack anyone personally as that is against the rules, not to mention unChristlike. This is a debate forum so there are certainly going to be differing points of view offered. I believe we can all learn from each other.

Calv1: Ironic, synergist's always say that the "World", in every case (See John 3:16 posts), always means "All men"

The term world may not always refer to all individuals without exception, but it is a all inclusive term (like the term "whosoever") and certainly shouldn't be taken to mean "a select few."

"The Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish" -JC

Jesus' prayer was clear, "I do NOT PRAY FOR THE WORLD, but FOR THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME.

And I affirmed that. The first part of his prayer was only for his apostles, whom the Father had given to him. In verse 20 he shifts his prayer to those who would believe through their message.

Likewise, I have been where you have been, even wrote papers and a book trying to debunk Calvinism without success to myself.

Sounds like you could use my help then.

BTW, I sent you a private message about how to respond in quotes. You should be able to access that in the top right corner of your page.

 

[Robert Snow]

Right. This is a tower than no synergist can overcome. They try to make it nations even though "Esau", and "Jacob", are in the Greek first person nouns, and even if it was nations, so what? It still shows particularity!

And what is it that "May stand"? ELECTION. Paul even uses the term "Doctring of election"

Good on you brother.

It is talking about God choosing to work through the line of Jacob and not Esau. It has nothing to do with individuals and their relationship to the Gospel.