Hello all, And I will cleanse them from their iniquity,whereby they have sinned against me;and I will pardon all their iniquities,whereby they have sinned,and whereby the have transgressed against me.And it shall be to me a name of joy,a praise and an honour before all nations of the earth,which shall hear all the good that I do unto them:and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.Jeremiah 33:8-9 KJ
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fear and trembling
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StraightAndNarrow
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Do you have some Biblical justification for the idea of two salvations and that one is for the Millenium?Originally posted by J. Jump:
We started talking about this in the other denominations thread a little bit.
What we have to remember is the Bible speaks of salvation in different manners. Unfortunately most of Christianity has pooled all salvation verses into salvation by grace through faith. However there is a salvation for the spiritually dead and then there is a salvation for the spiritually alive. And we must keep these two separate to avoid confusion.
To the dead man the only salvation that is available to him is salvation by grace through faith. Christ dying to pay the penalty for sin on the cross.
Once that has been dealt with and the Holy Spirit has breathed life into that individual (made them alive spiritually - eternal salvation)then the salvation turns from the spirit to the soul (Bible talks about salvation of the soul - which is temporal).
There is nothing one can do for eternal salvation other than believe on Christ and His actions. Once that is done that person is eternally secure, because it is an act of the Holy Spirit that is produced not an act of man.
The salvation of the soul has to do with the coming 1,000-year kingdom in which Christ will rule and reign over the earth. We are to work out our salvation in regard to either participating in that kingdom or not participating in that kingdom.
To participate one must be found faithful (having worked out their salvation), while there are others that will unfortunately be found unfaithful.
Works are essential in the sanctification process. We must be obedient.
StraightAndNarrow
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Those who will participate in the Millenium (if there is one) are the martyrs.Originally posted by J. Jump:
For eternal purposes those that are unfaithful will still be in God's presence for all eternity. They will not participate in the rule and reign of Christ for the 1,000 years.
In my studies to this point the Bible points to that time as a learning period if you will so that once eternity begins they will have a full understanding of what God wants them to do so that once eternity begins they are no longer in rebellion, but in complete cooperation like they were supposed to be in the first place.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
SN basically much of the New Testament is talking about the salvation of the soul not the salvation of the spirit.
The salvation of the soul is directly tied into acceptance of the coming kingdom. That is the big misconception when it comes to the message that John the Baptist, Christ, the Apostles and early disciples were delivering. They weren't delivering a message of salvation by grace, but they were delivering a message of salvation in regard to the kingdom of the heavens (Matthew 13 specifically, but every other place that kingdom of heaven is used in Matthew it is actually plural with the definite article "the" which means the correct rendering would be the kingdom of the heavens - this can also be found in John chapter 3 I believe in one of the earliest manuscripts although it is not translated that way, but kingdom of God).
You can also see that specific wording in James 1:21 and I Peter 1:9.
When we are saved by grace through faith we are made alive spiritually, but our spirit which is now in light is separated from our soul which is still in darkness. And since we are made alive spiritually we are now in a position to entertain the gospel of the glory of Chirst, which is how Paul refers to this message. Before we were made alive spiritually it was impossible to entertain this message, because it is a spiritual message and spiritually dead folks can not understand spiritual things.
We are made alive spiritually so that we can understand the rest of the good news.
The salvation of the soul is directly tied into acceptance of the coming kingdom. That is the big misconception when it comes to the message that John the Baptist, Christ, the Apostles and early disciples were delivering. They weren't delivering a message of salvation by grace, but they were delivering a message of salvation in regard to the kingdom of the heavens (Matthew 13 specifically, but every other place that kingdom of heaven is used in Matthew it is actually plural with the definite article "the" which means the correct rendering would be the kingdom of the heavens - this can also be found in John chapter 3 I believe in one of the earliest manuscripts although it is not translated that way, but kingdom of God).
You can also see that specific wording in James 1:21 and I Peter 1:9.
When we are saved by grace through faith we are made alive spiritually, but our spirit which is now in light is separated from our soul which is still in darkness. And since we are made alive spiritually we are now in a position to entertain the gospel of the glory of Chirst, which is how Paul refers to this message. Before we were made alive spiritually it was impossible to entertain this message, because it is a spiritual message and spiritually dead folks can not understand spiritual things.
We are made alive spiritually so that we can understand the rest of the good news.
Some entertain the idea that you can die spiritually. I've heard of people who think tha Judas was legitimatly saved, but he turned back and betrayed Jesus. They say that he died spiritually... I don't hold to that because Jesus himself said it was that scripture could be fufilled. I've heard some say David died spiritually but I say if he was spiritually dead, how could he turn away from his sins if adultery and murderand ask forgiveness?