Female Sunday School Teachers

[Michael Wrenn]

It is one thing for you to opine about the matter, but for you to insert social slurs is quite another.

Just because you or some others are in disagreement on the matter give no room for your excuse to accuse one of social injustice.

Whether one disagrees with women teachers/preachers or no should not be a case for a poster to assume some superiority of thinking based upon the fallacy of bigotry claims.

If you disagree with a poster, disagree, but do not assume higher authority and station is found in hurtful labeling.

Not a social slur at all.

Look up the definition; it fits what I have seen posted here.

 

[Jerome]

I Timothy 2:12 BBRV [Baptist Board Revised Version]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man (pick a caveat: any male/adult male/teen+ male/post kindergarten male), during an actual church service or Sunday School class (special speakers do/don't count). However, because church is really just the few hours each week and not a 24/7 thing, she can teach a man Scripture, with her husband any other time, as long as they call it "counseling". And she can teach men secular things because the Adam/Eve 'creation mandate' wasn't really a universal mandate—of course it doesn't apply to politics, education, etc! (or alternatelty, it does). Of course, she may teach in a church service, as long as she sings her teaching. That of course 'counts' as being in silence.

 

[Salty]

I Timothy 2:12 BBRV [Baptist Board Revised Version]

Looks like we need to move this over to the bible translation fourm

 

[agedman]

I Timothy 2:12 BBRV [Baptist Board Revised Version]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man (pick a caveat: any male/adult male/teen+ male/post kindergarten male), during an actual church service or Sunday School class (special speakers do/don't count). However, because church is really just the few hours each week and not a 24/7 thing, she can teach a man Scripture, with her husband any other time, as long as they call it "counseling". And she can teach men secular things because the Adam/Eve 'creation mandate' wasn't really a universal mandate—of course it doesn't apply to politics, education, etc! (or alternatelty, it does). Of course, she may teach in a church service, as long as she sings her teaching. That of course 'counts' as being in silence.

Thank you Jerome, for pointing out just a few of the times when the typical SBC or IFB excuses what is really not excusable.

How very far the church is from the truth of the Scriptures in this matter.

It chafes those who don't like the truth; causing them to seek another excuse not to appropriately apply the Scriptures.

Not long until "sound doctrine" is given over to emotionalism and no truth will be found, just as Christ ask, "Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth?" The question has a rhetorical answer of - No.

 

[freeatlast]

I apply the teaching of Jesus to this situation. Would you not pull your donkey up on the Sabbath? Here we have a short term situation where we need for someone to step forward and carry the load. Which of you nay sayers knows that God does not plan to use the teacher for His purpose. But on the other hand, we should not think this exception sets a precedent for a woman exercising spiritual authority over men. That would be something the elders of your church might want to study and pray about before putting a different understanding of scripture before the body.

Van I think we can find an excsue for violating just about everything in the bible. There does not have to be a Sunday school, but we do need to obey the Lord. If the pastor will not lead when there is no man to do it or the men cannot go into another class then just don't have that part of the teaching, but don't disobey the Lord.

 

[freeatlast]

I Timothy 2:12 BBRV [Baptist Board Revised Version]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man (pick a caveat: any male/adult male/teen+ male/post kindergarten male), during an actual church service or Sunday School class (special speakers do/don't count). However, because church is really just the few hours each week and not a 24/7 thing, she can teach a man Scripture, with her husband any other time, as long as they call it "counseling". And she can teach men secular things because the Adam/Eve 'creation mandate' wasn't really a universal mandate—of course it doesn't apply to politics, education, etc! (or alternatelty, it does). Of course, she may teach in a church service, as long as she sings her teaching. That of course 'counts' as being in silence.

Sounds like jailhouse lawyering to me. :laugh:

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Seems there are some who would like to believe that Eve was not formed from Adam's rib but from his hip bone.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I Timothy 2:12 BBRV [Baptist Board Revised Version]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man (pick a caveat: any male/adult male/teen+ male/post kindergarten male), during an actual church service or Sunday School class (special speakers do/don't count). However, because church is really just the few hours each week and not a 24/7 thing, she can teach a man Scripture, with her husband any other time, as long as they call it "counseling". And she can teach men secular things because the Adam/Eve 'creation mandate' wasn't really a universal mandate—of course it doesn't apply to politics, education, etc! (or alternatelty, it does). Of course, she may teach in a church service, as long as she sings her teaching. That of course 'counts' as being in silence.

And she must wear a head covering or else long hair while doing it. Oh, I forgot; that part of Paul's mandate doesn't count these days, just the preaching part. :laugh:

 

[Jim1999]

Best professor I had in seminary was a woman. She taught Hebrew.

Oh my, a woman teaching future pastors!!!!!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Jon-Marc]

At the church where I go it's called "Bible Study" and not "Sunday School". Unfortunately, the church is few in number. The pastor was just recently ordained and has no Bible school education; he got his learning from other men and from their books.

The morning Bible Study teacher is his brother, who doesn't start the class before 10:15 if then, spends several minutes in prayer before the class, which would be fine if we had that time. The actual Bible study time is about 25-30 minutes. He jumps around with SO many scriptures to explain one verse that there's very little accomplished.

Unfortunately, it's the only Baptist church within an hour's drive of here. Also, the pastor is Calvinist, which I'm not. I have noticed that his preaching is rather shallow for what I'm used to and need, and I'm considering not going any more. However, there's nowhere else to go.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

At the church where I go it's called "Bible Study" and not "Sunday School". Unfortunately, the church is few in number. The pastor was just recently ordained and has no Bible school education; he got his learning from other men and from their books.

The morning Bible Study teacher is his brother, who doesn't start the class before 10:15 if then, spends several minutes in prayer before the class, which would be fine if we had that time. The actual Bible study time is about 25-30 minutes. He jumps around with SO many scriptures to explain one verse that there's very little accomplished.

Unfortunately, it's the only Baptist church within an hour's drive of here. Also, the pastor is Calvinist, which I'm not. I have noticed that his preaching is rather shallow for what I'm used to and need, and I'm considering not going any more. However, there's nowhere else to go.

I can empathize with your feeling isolated. Hang in and don't give up.

 

[Alcott]

Seems there are some who would like to believe that Eve was not formed from Adam's rib but from his hip bone.

Might that explain why those who wanted to live without clothes, without work, without washing or grooming, eating raw fruit from plants they didn't have to cultivate, were called hippies?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Might that explain why those who wanted to live without clothes, without work, without washing or grooming, eating raw fruit from plants they didn't have to cultivate, were called hippies?

Quite possibly! :laugh: