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Fighting Nazis doesn’t make ‘antifa’ the good guys

Revmitchell

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Fighting Nazis is a good thing, but fighting Nazis doesn’t necessarily make you or your cause good. By my lights this is simply an obvious fact.

The greatest Nazi-killer of the 20th century was Josef Stalin. He also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved or brutalized tens of millions more.

Nazism was evil. Soviet Communism was evil. It’s fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than Communism. That doesn’t make Communism good.

Yet confusion on this point poisoned politics in America and abroad for generations.

Part of the problem is psychological. There’s a natural tendency to think that when people, or movements, hate each other, it must be because they’re opposites. This assumption overlooks the fact that many — indeed, most — of the great conflicts and hatreds in human history are derived from what Sigmund Freud called the “narcissism of minor differences.”

Most tribal hatreds are between very similar groups. The European wars of religion were between peoples who often shared the same language and culture but differed on the correct way to practice the Christian faith. The Sunni-Shia split in the Muslim world is the source of great animosity between very similar peoples.

The young Communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with decent liberals or conservatives, as we understand those terms today.

The second part of the problem wasn’t innocent confusion, but sinister propaganda. As Hitler solidified power and effectively outlawed the Communist Party of Germany, the Communist International abandoned its position that socialist and progressive groups that were disloyal to Moscow were “fascist” and instead encouraged Communists everywhere to build “popular fronts” against the common enemy of Nazism.

These alliances of convenience were a great propaganda victory for Communists around the world because they bolstered the myth that Communists were just members of the left coalition in the fight against Hitler, bigotry, fascism, etc.

This obscured the fact that whenever the Communists had a chance to seize power, they did. Often, the first people they killed, jailed or exiled were former allies. That’s what happened in Eastern Europe, Cuba and other places of Communist success.

This history is relevant today because of the depressingly idiotic argument about whether it’s OK to equate “antifa” — left-wing radicals — with the neo-Nazi and white supremacist rabble that recently descended on Charlottesville, Va. The president claims there were “very fine people” on both sides of the protest and that the “anti-fascist” radicals are equally blameworthy. He borrowed from Fox News’ Sean Hannity the bogus term “alt-left” to describe the antifa radicals.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/17/fighting-nazis-doesnt-make-antifa-the-good-guys/
 

Adonia

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Especially in this case. When you show up to "protest" wearing masks (and carrying weapons), that kind of proves that your motives are nefarious and you really are not the "good guys".

Some of these snowflake anchors on CNN and MSNBC ought to go down to the next gathering and see what kind of reception they would get as they try filming those who wear the masks.
 

JonC

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Fighting Nazis is a good thing, but fighting Nazis doesn’t necessarily make you or your cause good. By my lights this is simply an obvious fact.

The greatest Nazi-killer of the 20th century was Josef Stalin. He also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved or brutalized tens of millions more.

Nazism was evil. Soviet Communism was evil. It’s fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than Communism. That doesn’t make Communism good.

Yet confusion on this point poisoned politics in America and abroad for generations.

Part of the problem is psychological. There’s a natural tendency to think that when people, or movements, hate each other, it must be because they’re opposites. This assumption overlooks the fact that many — indeed, most — of the great conflicts and hatreds in human history are derived from what Sigmund Freud called the “narcissism of minor differences.”

Most tribal hatreds are between very similar groups. The European wars of religion were between peoples who often shared the same language and culture but differed on the correct way to practice the Christian faith. The Sunni-Shia split in the Muslim world is the source of great animosity between very similar peoples.

The young Communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with decent liberals or conservatives, as we understand those terms today.

The second part of the problem wasn’t innocent confusion, but sinister propaganda. As Hitler solidified power and effectively outlawed the Communist Party of Germany, the Communist International abandoned its position that socialist and progressive groups that were disloyal to Moscow were “fascist” and instead encouraged Communists everywhere to build “popular fronts” against the common enemy of Nazism.

These alliances of convenience were a great propaganda victory for Communists around the world because they bolstered the myth that Communists were just members of the left coalition in the fight against Hitler, bigotry, fascism, etc.

This obscured the fact that whenever the Communists had a chance to seize power, they did. Often, the first people they killed, jailed or exiled were former allies. That’s what happened in Eastern Europe, Cuba and other places of Communist success.

This history is relevant today because of the depressingly idiotic argument about whether it’s OK to equate “antifa” — left-wing radicals — with the neo-Nazi and white supremacist rabble that recently descended on Charlottesville, Va. The president claims there were “very fine people” on both sides of the protest and that the “anti-fascist” radicals are equally blameworthy. He borrowed from Fox News’ Sean Hannity the bogus term “alt-left” to describe the antifa radicals.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/17/fighting-nazis-doesnt-make-antifa-the-good-guys/
Please be careful, you'll confuse the sheeple.
 

Reynolds

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Fighting Nazis is a good thing, but fighting Nazis doesn’t necessarily make you or your cause good. By my lights this is simply an obvious fact.

The greatest Nazi-killer of the 20th century was Josef Stalin. He also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved or brutalized tens of millions more.

Nazism was evil. Soviet Communism was evil. It’s fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than Communism. That doesn’t make Communism good.

Yet confusion on this point poisoned politics in America and abroad for generations.

Part of the problem is psychological. There’s a natural tendency to think that when people, or movements, hate each other, it must be because they’re opposites. This assumption overlooks the fact that many — indeed, most — of the great conflicts and hatreds in human history are derived from what Sigmund Freud called the “narcissism of minor differences.”

Most tribal hatreds are between very similar groups. The European wars of religion were between peoples who often shared the same language and culture but differed on the correct way to practice the Christian faith. The Sunni-Shia split in the Muslim world is the source of great animosity between very similar peoples.

The young Communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with decent liberals or conservatives, as we understand those terms today.

The second part of the problem wasn’t innocent confusion, but sinister propaganda. As Hitler solidified power and effectively outlawed the Communist Party of Germany, the Communist International abandoned its position that socialist and progressive groups that were disloyal to Moscow were “fascist” and instead encouraged Communists everywhere to build “popular fronts” against the common enemy of Nazism.

These alliances of convenience were a great propaganda victory for Communists around the world because they bolstered the myth that Communists were just members of the left coalition in the fight against Hitler, bigotry, fascism, etc.

This obscured the fact that whenever the Communists had a chance to seize power, they did. Often, the first people they killed, jailed or exiled were former allies. That’s what happened in Eastern Europe, Cuba and other places of Communist success.

This history is relevant today because of the depressingly idiotic argument about whether it’s OK to equate “antifa” — left-wing radicals — with the neo-Nazi and white supremacist rabble that recently descended on Charlottesville, Va. The president claims there were “very fine people” on both sides of the protest and that the “anti-fascist” radicals are equally blameworthy. He borrowed from Fox News’ Sean Hannity the bogus term “alt-left” to describe the antifa radicals.

http://nypost.com/2017/08/17/fighting-nazis-doesnt-make-antifa-the-good-guys/
First MAJOR mistake in your analysis is assuming people actually know something about history.
 
People have no idea what they stand for. They're blind to truth; driven by emotion. They're looking for someone to blame. The problem is within the individual. They project it outside themselves to avoid accountability for sin. The hate they spew is truly hatred for themselves.

But, while every fool is looking for a fight, there's more room at the top! While everyone wastes their time fighting for idealistic causes, I put my time to good use making money. The more fools there are, the more low-level workers there are, and the less competition there is at the top.

Those who have no faculties of reason are blown whichever way the wind carries them. When they learn truth it will be too late. The media make a big deal of it, but it's not. It just draws viewers to the controversy. Pvb 22:3 "The wise man sees evil and hides." I just ignore it.

It comes and goes all the time. The news media will soon find out that the people wised up and looked elsewhere for truth.
 

righteousdude2

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Any group that dresses in all black and covers their face is NOT ALL RIGHT WITH ME! They are anarchist thugs, sheep in wolves clothing. They also did tonsof damage in Berekley. Bad, bad, bad.
 
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righteousdude2

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They are the darlings of the media only because the haters think Trump is a facist ... and Antifa is all about fighting the alt-right facists, which lumps Trump in the facist gang. So, BINGO! They are being talked up as Nazi hunters!
 
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