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Filing a Domicile
- Thread starter SPFJ
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Never heard of a system where someone can avoid paying any taxes. I read some of the items on the net and it gave tax breaks, combined with the homestead rule, for people over 65.veterans and handicapped people,and it made some mention of deferment of taxes, to be paid at a later date with interest.....I don't know.
Cheers,
Jim
Cheers,
Jim
OK, from what I understand, here is the scoop... according to FL State Constitution. If you claim to be a natualized citizen to the state (domiciled) then you are no longer a citizen of the USA??!! Doesn't make a lot of sense to me (does it you?), but according to the laws (each state will vary), this is a legal way of handling your affairs. Lot of paper work and red tape, but is it the right thing to do?
Here's a link to the FL State Constitution...let me know what you think:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes#A07S05
See Section 5 (a) &(b)
Here's a link to the FL State Constitution...let me know what you think:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Constitution&Submenu=3&Tab=statutes#A07S05
See Section 5 (a) &(b)
as in naturalized citizen of that individual state? Meaning the person was not born in Florida? Or are you referring to a naturalized citizen of the UNITED States?
If its legal I don't see why its a problem. We all pay taxes on purchases we make, so no one ever gets off without paying SOME tax.
If its legal I don't see why its a problem. We all pay taxes on purchases we make, so no one ever gets off without paying SOME tax.
I didn't read anywhere that one surrenders their citizenship in the USA by applying for domicility or homestead benefits. I would find that very hard to believe. I also did not read a preamble explaining the purpose of these declarations, except to aid seniors, the handicapped and other such impediments.
Cheers,
Jim
Cheers,
Jim
Bible Believing Bill
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Where do you get this information? In reading the link you provided to the FL Constitution it looks like you could get some tax breaks from FL taxes by doing this, i.e. a Homestead Expemtion, but it dosen't change your federal taxes. I don't see anywhere it states you don't have to pay any taxes.Originally posted by SPFJ:
What do you think about people who file a declaration of domicile and avoid paying ANY form of tax? (the state of Florida accepts these documents privately, but they do not recognize them publicly).
If you try to do this to avoid paying Federal Income Taxes the best you can expect is to pay the IRS a large fine, and you might just go to jail.
Bill
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Filmproducer
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Declaration of Domicile is useful when you have to "prove" you are a citizen of a state, but are not currently a leaseholder or homeowner, (i.e., your name is not on the document). When we moved back to Florida we stayed with my mother in law until our apartment was available. In order to enroll our son in public school we had to file a declaration of domicile. Basically you take your drivers license, which is required to have your correct address, and sign a statement before a notary that you live at said address.
It has nothing to do with the US Constitution, and US citizenship. It is strictly for use in state citizenship. State citizenship does not override US citizenship, nor has it ever done so.
It has nothing to do with the US Constitution, and US citizenship. It is strictly for use in state citizenship. State citizenship does not override US citizenship, nor has it ever done so.
No, it isn't the right thing to do.Originally posted by SPFJ:
Lot of paper work and red tape, but is it the right thing to do?
Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
Jamie
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No, it isn't the right thing to do.Originally posted by JamieinNH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPFJ:
Lot of paper work and red tape, but is it the right thing to do?
Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
Jamie </font>[/QUOTE]Wait a second please explain to me why it is not right. The Homestead Exemption in Florida amounts to about a $500 deduction in property taxes, possibly more if you are widowed and/or disabled. If "Caesar", so to speak, is allowing the deduction in the first place, how are you not rendering unto "Caesar", what is his? The deduction is written right into the FL constitution, therefore it's not as if declarations of domicile for the purposes of Homestead Exemptions are deceiving the government. Why is it wrong if it is legal? If that was the case Christians shouldn't use the Earned Income Tax credit on their federal taxes, or any other deduction they qualify for, which is just ludicrous.
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It is a residency form, pure and simple. When using it for Homestead Exemptions you are declaring that said residence in Florida is your living address, and that you own said property. When used for other purposes, such as enrolling in public school, or declaring in state residency for higher education tuition, it, once again, is meant to "prove" your residency in said state and county, and school district. The form is not a big deal, and certainly nothing to debate as Christians.Originally posted by SPFJ:
Any one who lives in the state for a certain length of time can be "naturalized" for that particular state.
Like I said, it is new to me and I am just wondering if anyone can fill in the blanks??
Bible Believing Bill
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It is a residency form, pure and simple. When using it for Homestead Exemptions you are declaring that said residence in Florida is your living address, and that you own said property. When used for other purposes, such as enrolling in public school, or declaring in state residency for higher education tuition, it, once again, is meant to "prove" your residency in said state and county, and school district. The form is not a big deal, and certainly nothing to debate as Christians. </font>[/QUOTE]The debate comes in from the OP, which states that filing expempts you from ANY tax. That implies you wouldn't have to pay sales taxes, property taxes, income taxes, etc. What you get is a homestead exemption to your property tax and possible some other benefits. What you don't get is exemption from ALL taxes.Originally posted by Filmproducer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPFJ:
Any one who lives in the state for a certain length of time can be "naturalized" for that particular state.
Like I said, it is new to me and I am just wondering if anyone can fill in the blanks??
Bill
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Filmproducer
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I understand where the debate in the OP came from. The problem was it was a debate over a misconception. Homestead Exemption is a deduction of FL property taxes, as allowed under FL law. Certainly nothing Christians should have a problem with.
No, it isn't the right thing to do.Originally posted by Filmproducer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JamieinNH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SPFJ:
Lot of paper work and red tape, but is it the right thing to do?
Mar 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
Jamie </font>[/QUOTE]Wait a second please explain to me why it is not right. The Homestead Exemption in Florida amounts to about a $500 deduction in property taxes, possibly more if you are widowed and/or disabled. If "Caesar", so to speak, is allowing the deduction in the first place, how are you not rendering unto "Caesar", what is his? The deduction is written right into the FL constitution, therefore it's not as if declarations of domicile for the purposes of Homestead Exemptions are deceiving the government. Why is it wrong if it is legal? If that was the case Christians shouldn't use the Earned Income Tax credit on their federal taxes, or any other deduction they qualify for, which is just ludicrous. </font>[/QUOTE]Given the way you explained it, as a deduction, there is nothing wrong with it. When I posted my comments, I read the first post and read this:
"What do you think about people who file a declaration of domicile and avoid paying ANY form of tax?"
So, trying to avoid paying ANY taxes is wrong. That is why I posted what I did.
Paying ANY taxes or reducing your taxes are two different things. I didn't read the law that was spoken about, just the posts/questions here.
Jamie
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Filmproducer
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I agree with you 100%, in that case.
Bible Believing Bill
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And that statement I agree with 100%Originally posted by Filmproducer:
I understand where the debate in the OP came from. The problem was it was a debate over a misconception. Homestead Exemption is a deduction of FL property taxes, as allowed under FL law. Certainly nothing Christians should have a problem with.
Bill