Finally, a lucid response to the 'Purpose Driven fallacy'

quote=2BHizown]Thanks for your posts. They have been quite revealing. In my OP I clearly stated I had not read the book. I had read reviews of the book. I wanted to see if anyone here had read it and what their thoughts on it were. Simple request?[/quote]By titling your post "Finally, a lucid response" and then stating that you haven't even read the book you sort of opened yourself up for ridicule. If someone else claimed it was a lucid response and you were just quoting them then maybe you could have made that clearer. It looked to me like your claim even though you hadn't read the book. Some anti-Warrenists would do that kind of thing, you know.

 

What is the purpose driven fallacy? Do you not believe that the purposes of a church are worship, discipleship, fellowship, evangelism, and missions?

 

Honestly, if you've been around here very long you ought to know what is going to happen any time you start a topic that mentions Rick Warren. If you haven't been around here very long, well, now you know. As unfortunate as it is, it is the way it is.

So, my answer to the OP is that I've not read the book, and I have no major problems with Rick Warren (and I may be the only Calvinist who has ever said that), and I have no idea whether that response is lucid or not.

 

It indeed is unfortunate. I hope we can start acting more Christ like in our actions.

 

Did someone bring this up or did you intentionally go off topic by raising a straw man?

 

It was in response to:

Adding my own two cents.

Many have attacked Warren due to these very things, yet there is no biblical basis for the attacks.

 

These are my sentiments also... If these 5 things are not the purpose of the church, what things are?

I have been through the 40 days of purpose, I saw God use the PDL to strengthen a church... Many ministries start, people won to God.

Most people that trash Warren and PDL have no experience at all with the program, they are just parroting what other authors and jealous preachers are saying.

Sure, I disagreed with a few things in the program, but no one is going to agree 100% of the time. Just look at all the fine folk here on BB. I'm sure we all love the Lord and serve him in the way He has purposed, but we still get into heated discussions.

Paul and Barnabas did
Paul and Peter did
The Apostles argued over who was going to be first.

Does that mean we are horrible people....no, it just means we are people with passion. There are a few things I am very passionate about. God wired me that way.. when those passions seem to come up against other's passions friction arises...

God has a purpose for every person.
God has a purpose for every church.

And if it is not Worship, Fellowship, Evangelism, Ministry, and Discipleship, what is the purpose of serving God?

 

You're welcome.

Yes, it is.

I know, I know, I struggle with this, and freely admit it. However, I don't believe I was overly sarcastic or rude. I merely pointed out "My thoughts are that you should read the book before claiming it to be a "lucid response. My opinion doesn't matter." Both of these are true statements, at least in my opinion (that doesn't matter).

Sorry about that. No, I haven't read it.

I've seen no lashing, at least in comparison to other RW threads or controversial issues. When put beside others on this board who have been severely lacerated verbally occasionally, you have had to endure very little, in my opinion (that doesn't matter). I wouldn't lash out at you. Given the anonymity of this message board and the fact that you say you're from Texas, you could be a member of one of my former churches for all I know. I wouldn't intentionally try to offend you. And I don't see that here... maybe some mild joking and poking fun at your expense... but you open yourself to that with your original post.

I thought you might before the thread closed.

So "they" called it a "purpose-driven fallacy," a "David vs. Goliath" book, and a "lucid respose?" As I was reminded here at the BB a couple of years ago, ONE who quotes TWO without telling that TWO said what ONE is quoting, is in danger of claiming TWO's quotes and opinions as ONE's own. Simple Anti-Plagerism 101. I did it by mistake, got called on it, and had to explain that the opinions weren't mine. Don't fall in that trap.

Yes, Worship and Youth Pastor.
Yes, occasionally.
Yes, great prayer and sentiment. I agree! :thumbs:

 

You want mercy . . .

When you have read the book - tell me how it ends. I do not have time to do reviews for you!

I am counseling others . . . and pastoring . . . And wasting what little time I have on the BB . . .

 

OK, my bad. I didn't read through ALL the reviews, just the ones toward the top.

Sorry if I offended you. That was not my intent. But being the volatile subject that it is for some (not me) I thought maybe you expected a volatile response from some. Since I don't have an opinion either way about PDL, RW or any other acronymns I can think associated with Saddleback, I'll bow out now. 2B, I apologize for disrupting your peaceful BB existance. BTW, let us know if you do read the book what you think about it.

 

Brother, I apologize . . . I did not intend to communicate hostility - the only way I communicate hostility is to protect this body or others from you or an evil person harming them.

I was not aware that you intended to commit harm, so I did not intend to communicate hostility . . .

Maybe you could read the book and tell about it . . .