Finally the truth about the KJB

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Every time I ask you to tell me what the Greek says in English you do so in English,

Isn't the reason for this obvious? You speak English. If you spoke You ask for a definition of a Greek word. What language do you want him to give it to you in?? Of course, he will give it in English. That seem really obvious ... </font>[/QUOTE]Man! I was beginning to think you were never going to catch on!

Did the KJB translators need to give a full doctrinal exegesis on every word of the Bible to satisfy your want of explanation?

I'll admit this for your satisfaction; without a dictionary relating to the exact words used in the MSS of ther Koine Greek and the Masoretic Hebrew translated into English, none of us English speaking people would understand the word of God. Now, how does that grab ya? I keep telling you people your arguements are fruitless.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
wh6y aren't these "learned" men out winning souls since they know and understand so much about the Hebrew and the Greek instead thney sit around and teach and boast how much they know? See ya at the ACBRM! 7:00 pm 316 Pryor St. Atalanta, Ga. Feb 3, 2004.

I know that place... and many of the "converts" there are likely not saved. They employ a brand of easy-believism.

It is associated with King's Way in Douglasville. The pastor there is a disciple of Jack Hyles and left Michigan after a scandal involving sexual child abuse by some of his bus captains. I visited King's Way awhile back and heard the pastor claim several thousand conversions within the previous year. I looked around and saw maybe 500 on Sunday morning plus a couple of hundred kids in children's church.

If thousands were being genuinely saved... where were they?

I took a young man to the Rescue Mission once. He was working but due to his habits had lost his car and apartment. They "saved" and baptized him within a couple of days. Within a few weeks, they put him out of the mission and never discipled him at all. He didn't leave with a desire to find God's will or way. The last I knew of him, he was in a treatment facility for alcohol and drug abuse. The biggest change in this man's life is probably that he is now innoculated against the true gospel.

Just because some people can count heads does not mean that people are being saved or discipled.

I post this info only because you seem to be intent on impugning everyone who does not agree with you by whatever means available. True or untrue, it seems not to matter to you at all. You have absolutely no idea how many people are being won to Christ through the works of those you condemn above. Nor do you have any idea how many people have gone through Atlanta Baptist Rescue Mission and come out with a false profession or hope.

 

[Pastor KevinR]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pastor KevinR:
Did you know that Churchill called King James (not the version) morally depraved?

I love the way you people promote yourselves.
PastorKR-"Huh? Merely stating a fact."
Did you know King James only appointed the 50+ men to do the work and your allusions to King James are only propigating the gossip about the monarchs of Great Britain?

O.K., so you people have an ought against King James, even "Winnie", so let's just call the AV 1611 The Holy Bible and get over it.

When you get an answer from Churchill, let us know. I've been asking him about Gallipoli and his time as chancellor of the exchequer for many years, and I can't get an answer.

I suppose you could go ask the witch of Endor?

Did you know that Churchill called King James (not the version) morally depraved?

Got any credible resource or just "hearesy"? Did you know westcott and hort didn't believe the Bible? </font>[/QUOTE]History of English Speaking Peoples Vol 2 page 160 reads where W. Churchill stated, "James was much addicted to favourites, and his attention to handsome young men resulted in a noticeable loss of respect for the monarchy."

 

[Precepts]

History of English Speaking Peoples Vol 2 page 160 reads where W. Churchill stated, "James was much addicted to favourites, and his attention to handsome young men resulted in a noticeable loss of respect for the monarchy."

So? Does this tidbit of gossip defame the Av 1611 KJB in any way? NO! "James" is not the Bible to begin.

 

[Pastor KevinR]

Please note by my previous post that I am not attacking the Version that bears the name of King James, any more than if I loved the NASV because it has "American" in its title. History tells us about the moral character of King James, his torture of Baptists (he said he wanted to "Harrow the Baptists out of England"), marrying off his children to Catholics, etc.
The Puritans (many) rejected the AV because it was named for a king with ill repute. Hey, they were Puritans !
...this is simply not gossip but historically accurate, and I am in agreement that this in no way affects the venerable translation which bears his name.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by Pastor KevinR:
The Puritans (many) rejected the AV because it was named for a king with ill repute. Hey, they were Puritans !

Sort of like if someone today published a "President Clinton Version"?

Maybe someone should, and we'll check back in 400 years to see if there are any PCV-onlyists.

 

[Precepts]

I post this info only because you seem to be intent on impugning everyone who does not agree with you by whatever means available. True or untrue, it seems not to matter to you at all. You have absolutely no idea how many people are being won to Christ through the works of those you condemn above. Nor do you have any idea how many people have gone through Atlanta Baptist Rescue Mission and come out with a false profession or hope.

No. You're lying to the degree of why you posted this info and it is laiden with gossip. I will go and preach the Gospel to as many will hear. I am in no way responsible for their salvation, I am only going to fill in for another preacher whose church is having a revival this week. As far as the allegations about the man and the church has absolutely NOTHING to do with me preaching Jesus Christ, Him crucified,buried and risen again on the third and Glorious day, ascended to be at the Right hand of the Father.

As far as your "example" is concerned, the falling away and the seed landing on stony ground and in the midst of briars is not much good, there is NOTHING wrong with the seed my friend.

Let me say this and be perfectly clear. This "easy believism, 1,2,3, repeat after me" is NOT totally error. Now wait a minute! Salvation is NOT in a prayer! If a man is truly convicted for sin, CONVERTED from sin, then the fruit will show, the transition may take time, but there is NO FALLING FROM GRACE!

I have NEVER been involved in the "#'s" game and NEVER will! Just let me add this while I'm at it. I will go into a liquor store and hand out Gospel tracts and leave them on the counter with the permission of the clerk and I don't really care what you or anybody else thinks! The Lord willing, I will go to ACBRM tomorrow night with love and compassion for lost sinners, Preach the Gospel and let God do the rest! You know what? If this is true about what you said in reference to "EB, 123,RAM" then I won't have to answer to God for even the first soul duped into believing repeating a prayer is what saves them! I will not let you or any bit of gossip prevent me from preaching the Gospel. As a matter of fact, if the Lord so leads, I just may get kicked out of the mission for saying something against the "EB 123, RAM", long before the invitation.

Here's my outline for tomorrow night if the Lord so continues to lead

II Chronicles 33 The Life of a 12 Year Old King

Age of 12
Son of king Hezekiah

a godly king

Attitude of rebellion

Similarities to Prodigal son


Affliction of sin

Sentenced to die in captivity

Awareness of condition

A Sinner in need of
salvation
Almighty's mercy

The Saviour's way of escape
from sin's prison

Attitude of repentence

Sorrow towards God for sin

Acquiring of God's Provision

Saving Grace

Se any "easy believism, 1,2,3, repeat after me" number boasting anywhere? No, and you WON'T !

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Did the KJB translators need to give a full doctrinal exegesis on every word of the Bible to satisfy your want of explanation?

Since they were not being guided by the Holy Spirit to produce a perfect English translation, the question is moot.

There is no English translation that is a perfect translation. Not the KJV, not the NIV, not the Geneve, not the Tyndale, not the NASB, etc etc. Why? Because English Bibles are not the word of God. They are translations of the Word of God.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Did the KJB translators need to give a full doctrinal exegesis on every word of the Bible to satisfy your want of explanation?

Since they were not being guided by the Holy Spirit to produce a perfect English translation, the question is moot.

There is no English translation that is a perfect translation. Not the KJV, not the NIV, not the Geneve, not the Tyndale, not the NASB, etc etc. Why? Because English Bibles are not the word of God. They are translations of the Word of God. </font>[/QUOTE]And where did that logic come from? Why Southern California! Aren't we amazed!

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by BrianT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pastor KevinR:
The Puritans (many) rejected the AV because it was named for a king with ill repute. Hey, they were Puritans !

Sort of like if someone today published a "President Clinton Version"?

Maybe someone should, and we'll check back in 400 years to see if there are any PCV-onlyists. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't understand your logic, and you voted for him! Of course really whether you did or not your logic is perverted. But if you were around 400 years from now, the AV 1611 KJB would still be the best and you would be propigating the clinton book just because you hate King James, some on might get the impression you hate the Bible!

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Johnv:
There is no English translation that is a perfect translation. Not the KJV, not the NIV, not the Geneve, not the Tyndale, not the NASB, etc etc. Why? Because English Bibles are not the word of God. They are translations of the Word of God.

And where did that logic come from? Why Southern California! Aren't we amazed! </font>[/QUOTE]That's the best comeback you can come up with? "he's from SoCal, so he must be wrong"? Your arrogance reflects your ignorance. Do you really think that everyone, even other KJVO's reading this are oblivious to your infantile tripe? Pardon me for being biblically educated, which, clearly, you are not. Perhaps if you addressed the issue, rather than act like a baby who needs his diapers changed, you'd be taken more seriously.

 

[Pastor KevinR]

Imagine if you were from England, or Queens, NYC

 

[Travelsong]

The Word of God is not preserved in any language, and that includes the original Greek and Hebrew of our Bibles.

1 John:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God is Preserved by God Himself, He is His Word, and His Word is truth. The truth of His word exists outside and apart from any human language that might try to express it.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Pastor KevinR:
Imagine if you were from England, or Queens, NYC

If you were to vist John in Sanfrancisco I could see yall holding hands, but if he were to visit you in Queens, I can almost see you beating him up! The only problem I have is whether you would try to hold my hand or beat me up?

 

[Precepts]

That's the best comeback you can come up with? "he's from SoCal, so he must be wrong"? Your arrogance reflects your ignorance. Do you really think that everyone, even other KJVO's reading this are oblivious to your infantile tripe? Pardon me for being biblically educated, which, clearly, you are not. Perhaps if you addressed the issue, rather than act like a baby who needs his diapers changed, you'd be taken more seriously.

Proverbs 14:17 He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated.

Ah! What an expression of I Corinthians 13 we see John spouting here?

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
The Word of God is not preserved in any language, and that includes the original Greek and Hebrew of our Bibles.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />1 John:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God is Preserved by God Himself, He is His Word, and His Word is truth. The truth of His word exists outside and apart from any human language that might try to express it. </font>[/QUOTE]With a belief like that I will question your salvation. How did you ever get saved if that's what you believe? How did you ver hear the preaching of the Gospel so you could be saved?

See what propigating mv's does to people?

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
If you were to vist John in Sanfrancisco I could see yall holding hands, but if he were to visit you in Queens, I can almost see you beating him up! The only problem I have is whether you would try to hold my hand or beat me up?

You clearly have no sense of direction either. San Francisco is in Northern California. I'm in Southern California. To be specific, I'm in Orange County, know by some liberal folks as the "Orange Curtain" for its conservative atmosphere. But since youprefer to stereotype people, rather than look in their hearts, I'm not surprised by your abundant display of ignorance.

BTW, I hold hands with men at least one a week: in my men's Bible Study. If you were in my Bible study, I'd hold your hand, too. So lighten up with the geographic bigotry.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
With a belief like that I will question your salvation. How did you ever get saved if that's what you believe? How did you ver hear the preaching of the Gospel so you could be saved?

See what propigating mv's does to people?

Worshipping the Bible is not a prerequisite for salvation.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Proverbs 14:17 He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated.

Ah! What an expression of I Corinthians 13 we see John spouting here?

I'm not angry at you. I am, however, holding you responsible for your unrighetous attitude, as any Christian brother would towards another.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
With a belief like that I will question your salvation. How did you ever get saved if that's what you believe? How did you ver hear the preaching of the Gospel so you could be saved?

See what propigating mv's does to people?

Worshipping the Bible is not a prerequisite for salvation. </font>[/QUOTE]No, but hearing preaching of the Word of God is!