First Muslim in Congress to use Thomas Jefferson's quran

They did die for freedom.

 

All these Islam apologists are going to get us killed.

Yep. But the real Muslims have to do it, Ellison's just a CAIR water boy.

I'd love a link right now for you to show me how Muslims are being discriminated against. One link.

More, do you think this bill should be passed?:

http://chromatism.net/current/hres288.htm

And there's no way it's "the American way' unless it's the American way to lie and infiltrate before imposing Sharia law.

Islam is incompatible with a western representative republic.

 

Thats is the point. Right now they are not, but the goal of many here seems to be to begin discrimination.

My points have been theoretical - if some folks here have their way. I am pointing out the wrongness of decrying discrimination on one hand and calling for it on the other.

 

It's an overreaction on their part, but yours is a underreaction, exactly what they want.

CAIR propoganda regurgitated.

You don't have to worry about THAT with the government you have now.

 

How can I regurgitate something I've never heard of .

I do not spit out anything. I, for one, think through issues and express my carefully thought out point of view.

 

Roger

You are demanding that foreigners from a religious group that have declared war upon the USA and our way of life be given rights under the Constitution . . .

That makes absolutely no sence.

I am not for discriminating against American citizens.

But, the Constitution DOES NOT offer citizenship to OUR ENEMIES.

Until muslims can show that they will NOT be party to the published plant to take over the USA, they should NOT be GIVEN the freedom of citizenship.

I still remember the arguments (similar to yours) that were used to give Cubans our citizenship . . . that was a mistake.

IMHO.

Theoretical points against the reality of our current situation.

 

Not once have I done so. Feel free to read over all my posts. I am demanding that the rights of US citizens under the Constitution not be infringed on no matter what their religion.

I am saying that I oppose a religious test for immigration because if the test applies to one religion it sets a precedent that one day may be used to keep Christian missionaries from serving in America.

You make it sound like I am supporting terrorism Wayne. I love my country and I don't want the terrorists to win my turning it into some kind of totalitarian state that I don't recognise.

 

Missionaries are also coming to America. The need for missionaries is going to become more and more obvious as American slips further and further from the Lord.

Missionaries now go to England, once the greatest missions sending country in the world. It is getting harder and harder to get in due to regulations passed in response to fear. America is not too far behind.

The terrorists are winning - we are changing our laws and our moral fibre to rob people of their liberties. The more freedoms we take away, the greater their victory.

 

Sadly, part of their winning is patriotic Americans who love their country calling for the restrictions of rights on US citizens, even if those citizens are Muslim.

We must defend the rights of all US citizens or "they" win.

 

So do we stop cherishing and start sacrificing our freedoms?

I guess maybe its the Alabama boy deep down inside of me - Our proud state motto is:

Audemus Jura Nostra Defendere

 

What Thomas Jefferson learned
from the Muslim book of jihad.

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 2007

Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United
States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the
Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the
United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity
drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S.
House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to
Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of
America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book
Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500
Jefferson books archived in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in
college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed
that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be
gleaned from many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing
wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time
Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible
about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the
Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisiaand Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject
once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which
today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over
many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands
of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African
and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.

The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal
villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders
to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as
possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children
could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual
interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four
wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes
allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create
eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the
Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along
major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be
performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys
subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776,
American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no
American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and
their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under
the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord
ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed
by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to
negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed
a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson,
and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the
Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to
retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved
sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get
American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was
opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for
tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He
proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and
Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with
Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to
Britain.

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress'
vote to appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador
why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with
which they had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had
answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that
it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have
acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right
and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to
make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every
Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to
Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the
Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships
or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and
tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual
revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the
Mediterranean, and informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but
not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying
American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim
Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt
into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing
of all American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on
shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon
slavery and piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine
Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of
Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the
sea."

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the
total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to
put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about
the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.

Take a moment to send this item to Mr. Ellison.

 

Except, of course, the slaves in America...

So where did we get our slaves after that?

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