Florence Joyner, transgender athletes, and track records....

[Scarlett O.]

First let me say this. In the 32 years that I taught in public, public charter, and Christians schools, I had the occasional student who struggled immensely.

• with sexual orientation
• with gender identity
• with sexual abuse/assault
• with consequences of being sexually active too early
• and with being horridly bullied for those struggles

This thread is not to attack these students at all. They need help, kindness, Christ, and an acknowledgement of their pain.

OK, I watched a short video on Facebook this morning and .... well, I had to verify it. And I did.

Here's the rub.

Florence Griffith Joyner - Olympic champion - is and was the fastest woman alive. She ran the 100 mm at in astounding 10.49 seconds. She never failed ONE drug test and her autopsy - at age 31 - showed no drugs. So I am going to take that record as its value.

Not one woman on the planet has broken her record in over three decades. Not one.

But several high school boys have. That's what the short video claimed. So I fact checked it.

I went to TrackandFieldNews.com and went to high school records.

The top boys' record for high school 100 mm runs from 9.98 seconds to 10:18. I did not count them all but it was about 20 or so.

The top girls' record for high school 100 mm runs from 10.94 to 11.13.

So several, several non-professional and not grown men - high school boys can outperform a female Olympic champion with an unbroken record.

This is why boys should not compete on girl's teams where that kind of strength, stride, and leg length is required.

You know that, I know that. The average sane person in the world knows that.

But hard core leftists won't address that. And here's why I am making this post. Why WON'T they address it? Aren't they supposed to be the champions of women? The great protectors?

Here's why there can be no discussion with them - For even ONE of them to admit that this is NOT equality - they would have to admit that the transgender female [born a male] is NOT a female. And they aren't going to do that.

It's either protect the male athletes living as women or protect the female athletes who actually are women. You can't do both and call that equality.

 

[just-want-peace]

Not surprising, considering who their daddy is!
The "average sane person" is not a part of the left.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

… Here's why there can be no discussion with them - For even ONE of them to admit that this is NOT equality - they would have to admit that the transgender female [born a male] is NOT a female. And they aren't going to do that.

It's either protect the male athletes living as women or protect the female athletes who actually are women. You can't do both and call that equality.

The problem runs much deeper. Feminists created this dilemma. They cannot afford to admit that their quest for domination is illegitimate.

Feminists foolishly want to displace men, to have access to everything men have access to.

You cannot both protect women and throw them into the same arena with men.

Feminism and “women’s equality” are not about protecting women, but rather exposing women to the worst the world has to offer.

Welcome to the real world. This downslide is far from over.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I pretty much believe a woman can do anything a man can do with some obvious exceptions like strength. With that said, am I a feminist?

 

[Scott Downey]

That is why the ERA amendment is bad for women.
And also why the LEFT loves these kinds of things.

they call evil good and good evil because they are satanic rebels in their mind and thinking to cast off God's ordained nature of things. read psalms 2.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) is Bad. Very Bad. (floridafamilyaction.org)
Why is the so-called Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) bad?
The ERA has many ramifications in practice, and they are not good for women:

• Abortion would become a right permanently enshrined into the Constitution under the ERA, and taxpayers would be forced to pay for them. Basically, it would lock a super-powered Roe vs Wade into the US Constitution and overturn all state laws which restrict or regulate or ban abortions.

• ERA would create a sex-neutral society and erase the benefits women receive.

• Compel women/girls to compete against men/boys in sports

• Abolish female privacy in prisons, locker rooms, women’s shelters, nursing homes, hospitals

• Subject women to the military draft and front-line ground combat

• End all incentives for women-owned businesses

• End female scholarships

• End women-only sports programs

• The amendment would grossly expand the power of the federal government.

• Additionally, federal constitutional amendments are not proper matters to be promoted by local county governments.

Leading conservative constitutional experts on the ERA:
“So, I think in both the abortion area and in the LGBT arena, the ERA Amendment would be a direct assault on religious liberty, against religious organizations and churches.” –Mat Staver, Attorney and Founder of Liberty Counsel

“There’s no question that the ERA would bolster the claims of Roe v. Wade and “the LGBT agenda – including the most radical transgender claims.” Mike Farris, Alliance Defending Freedom

 

[atpollard]

Are there transgender athletes?

With all of the talk about the magnitude of the problem, I thought it might be worth asking if it really exists. How many transgender athletes are there?

 

[atpollard]

I pretty much believe a woman can do anything a man can do with some obvious exceptions like strength. With that said, am I a feminist?

Yes and no.
At the level of the common “woman on the street”, what you believe is what they want for themselves and their daughters. Equal treatment and opportunity.

Among those that have been hurt, the saying is “A woman needs a man, like a fish needs a bicycle”; you are part of the problem by virtue of your gender. Their view of “feminism” is far more affirmative action than what you believe.

 

[Scott Downey]

Are there transgender athletes?

With all of the talk about the magnitude of the problem, I thought it might be worth asking if it really exists. How many transgender athletes are there?

A gender dysphoric kid can compete in school sports identifying as the gender of their choice. So easily a boy can compete against girls and naturally being bigger and stronger than them, win unfairly.

 

[atpollard]

A gender dysphoric kid can compete in school sports identifying as the gender of their choice. So easily a boy can compete against girls and naturally being bigger and stronger than them, win unfairly.

A gender dysphoric kid can go on a shooting rampage; should we expel all of them from school as a precaution?

My question was not what COULD happen. My question was are gender dysphoric kids competing in women’s sports? The few gender dysphoric kids that I have encountered are more likely to join the Drama club or Band than to play sports of any kind.

 

[Scott Downey]

A gender dysphoric kid can go on a shooting rampage; should we expel all of them from school as a precaution?

My question was not what COULD happen. My question was are gender dysphoric kids competing in women’s sports? The few gender dysphoric kids that I have encountered are more likely to join the Drama club or Band than to play sports of any kind.

of course there are some. Who knows how many. But generation Z, 15% identify as LGBTQ+, thats a lot of messed up people. Our society is getting progressively worse and worse.

Should Transgender Students Be Allowed To Compete In Women's Athletics? : NPR

Gen Z Is the Queerest Generation Ever, According to New Survey | them.

 

[Scott Downey]

Latinx millennials over 20% are queers. LatinX is a term you may have not heard of before. They want to eliminate gender distinctions in all of society, language, etc...
Who uses ‘Latinx’? Democrats, LGBTQ and millennials | The Sacramento Bee (sacbee.com)

Latinx Millennials are Least Likely to Identify as Straight | them.
Research has finally confirmed what my abuela has long suspected: Latinx millennials are the most likely to identify as queer. The results came as part of the University of Chicago’s GenForward Survey Project, which found that more than one in five Latinx millennials identify as LGBTQ+.

Latino millennials least likely to identify as heterosexual, survey finds (nbcnews.com)

 

[just-want-peace]

Are there transgender athletes?

With all of the talk about the magnitude of the problem, I thought it might be worth asking if it really exists. How many transgender athletes are there?

I remember on the Laura Ingram show, a female soccer member from NH, IIRC, was talking about a suit they had brought against this concept because one of the girls was in line for a scholarship, but was usurped by a “transgender”. Never did hear the outcome.

Edited to add that whether it was/is ONE or a thousand, this is just one more step the left is pursuing that is ANTI-GOD, (not to mention anti-common sense as well) so it should be squashed ASAP!!!!!?

 

[Scarlett O.]

Are there transgender athletes?

With all of the talk about the magnitude of the problem, I thought it might be worth asking if it really exists. How many transgender athletes are there?

I would not have gone to the trouble of creating a post about how this is going to be an impossible discussion with Democrats if I were not aware of transgender athletes.

I've personally read articles and seen a couple of videos of these athletes in weight lifting, track and field, and wrestling.

Yes, they exist.

 

[Scarlett O.]

There are MANY comments on this thread that are in sharp division with what I believe and what I intended the point to be in my OP.

We are WAY off topic if we are going to discuss feminism, how women are trying to "take over", the statistics of homosexuals in various subgroups of people, and how women have to stay out of the man's world.

My point [and I highlighted it at the end of my OP] is that a discussion with people who are good with transgender females competing with actual females is going to be difficult because they cannot and will not admit the truth about transgender people - that they are NOT the gender that they "feel".

That's all I was trying to say. Sheesh.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

There are MANY comments on this thread that are in sharp division with what I believe and what I intended the point to be in my OP.

We are WAY off topic if we are going to discuss feminism, how women are trying to "take over", the statistics of homosexuals in various subgroups of people, and how women have to stay out of the man's world.

My point [and I highlighted it at the end of my OP] is that a discussion with people who are good with transgender females competing with actual females is going to be difficult because they cannot and will not admit the truth about transgender people - that they are NOT the gender that they "feel".

That's all I was trying to say. Sheesh.

This cannot be divorced from the general context and still understood. Making it about protecting women is the opposite of both the Feminist and Progressive Left agenda. They are trying to erase the differences between male and female, or to ignore them. They don't care.

The feminist claim, "Whatever a man can do, a woman can do better," was never true, but is just the sort of challenge that has led to this sort of scenario. This is their "equality." Given that motto, defending the assumption that males and females should have separate competitions in a quest for such "equality" may prove impossible.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are MANY comments on this thread that are in sharp division with what I believe and what I intended the point to be in my OP.

We are WAY off topic if we are going to discuss feminism, how women are trying to "take over", the statistics of homosexuals in various subgroups of people, and how women have to stay out of the man's world.

My point [and I highlighted it at the end of my OP] is that a discussion with people who are good with transgender females competing with actual females is going to be difficult because they cannot and will not admit the truth about transgender people - that they are NOT the gender that they "feel".

That's all I was trying to say. Sheesh.

Think that gender is forever fixed, as the Lord determined which one were to be born as being, and that those who are deluded to think that are now females and not still male need to form own transgendered league!