ROFL ... Fellow I ain't prejudice against Southerners. I am a Southerner. Breed, born and grew up in the South and still live south of the Mason-Dixon line.
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Flu "Hoax" has infected Quarter Million, Killed 3,000
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ROFL ... Fellow I ain't prejudice against Southerners. I am a Southerner. Breed, born and grew up in the South and still live south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Bigotry against people you are familiar with is still bigotry.
I wonder how many people will get sick from the vaccine ? I also wonder how many people will be given the wrong shot. I wonder about clerical errors & waiting lists, denied shots, you know, the kind of stuff a sycophant media would NEVER report.
I wonder how many people will get sick from the vaccine ? I also wonder how many people will be given the wrong shot. I wonder about clerical errors & waiting lists, denied shots, you know, the kind of stuff a sycophant media would NEVER report.
You should know, you are one of the most bigoted people I have seen.
By the way, your total misunderstanding also shows you do not understand Southern humor. Why am I not surprised?
Not nearly as many as will get the flu. I am sure you will find a way to blame Obama for anything that happens that is negative. I have faith in you.
Crabby sez:
(HEY, this is OK - taking a partial quote, and/or out of context, to slam an opponent. The libs have really got something with this strategy!!:smilewinkgrin::wavey
If we all repeat this enough (like the Ds), maybe it will be accepted as truth & then I'll wager that even MP, alatide & RS will turn on Crabby.:laugh:
Glad you've shifted gears, Crabby!
(HEY, this is OK - taking a partial quote, and/or out of context, to slam an opponent. The libs have really got something with this strategy!!:smilewinkgrin::wavey
If we all repeat this enough (like the Ds), maybe it will be accepted as truth & then I'll wager that even MP, alatide & RS will turn on Crabby.:laugh:
Outstanding post.
Back to the OP...I think this H1N1 is a real strain of the flu. And I have little doubt that tons of folks are getting it. But come on...it's not the Black Plague. It's the flu. A bunch of folks will get sick, because it's so contagious. Unfortunately, a few will die. That's what the flu does.
But...like I said...it's not the Black Plague. Furthermore...
And folks like JustChristian 3.0 (a.k.a., the previously banned "Freedom;" a.k.a., the previously banned "JustChristian.") are more interested in taking this illness and making political points than pretty much anything else.
That's when it gets sad.
There are doctors saying that this vaccine has not had enough testing to make sure it is safe, and many will not be giving it to anyone, even their own children will not recieve it.
If people are forced to get vaccinated and then die from the vaccine just whose fault will it be since obama will be at the middle of forcing people to get medical treatments that are questionable and they do not want.
yet you want to give free health care to those who refuse to work or waste their money. Why not just to those 'who through no fault of their own'?
flu is flu, all flu is contageous, and peopel will die from any flu that might be going around this winter. not just swine flu, which has been shown to be no more dangerous then the normal flu. How many people on this board got flu last year or the year before. I'm sure some will get one flu or another ths year too.
Hib disease deaths put focus on vaccine shortage
By Don Sapatkin
Inquirer Staff Writer
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/heal...ase_deaths_put_focus_on_vaccine_shortage.html
At least six unvaccinated children in Southeastern Pennsylvania have been infected and two have died in the nation's biggest recent outbreak of Haemophilus influenzae type b, a once-devastating disease that was virtually eradicated 20 years ago.
One Hib death has been reported in New Jersey.
A seventh Pennsylvania case, and third death, is thought to be due to Hib. Officials said that this and at least two other cases involved families who declined shots for religious reasons.
Health officials believe the outbreaks here and elsewhere likely were triggered by a vaccine shortage that removed just enough of the protective effect of widespread immunizations to make unvaccinated children more vulnerable.
Experts have been warning for years about the small but growing number of people who decline or delay immunizing their children because they fear side effects or believe the diseases are gone.
poncho
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You don't much care for it when you are proven wrong do you? Your article is scaremongering, nothing more. The WHO doesn't have any idea how many confirmed cases of swine flu there are. They said so themselves.
As far as the 2,000 cases of flu in Washigton goes I've aready addressed that one too.
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=61470&page=2http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=60761
Seems to me you are more in line with the flat earthers than me. They too also avoided and or discounted all the evidence that would disprove their theory that the earth was flat.
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do you think parents do not know whats best for their children. you think the governeemnt should dictate how we rasie our children? you think we should shoot our children full of vaccines which have not had enough testing to prove they are safe for them?
people die from flu, some have died from the vaccinations in the past. swine flu has been shown to be no more dangerous then normal flu. Most people don't even go to the doctor for the flu, they noramly don't even need one.
alatide
Look, the flu has always been around, and probably will always be around. There are certain years where there are severe outbreaks, and this may very well be one of them. But to scare the public into believeing we are going to see the deaths seen in the 1918 outbreak is going overboard. Things are much different now. Medicine is much better, methods to control disease are better known. We don't have the crowding of millions of men in unsanitary conditions as happened in 1918. It is a known fact that the vast majority of outbreaks started on military camps and spread to the general public in the 1918 outbreak.
And what can be gained by terrifying the public? They don't even have a vaccine for it, or not nearly enough if they do.
The flu vaccine is pretty much a joke to begin with. There are hundreds of strains of influenza. When they decide to make a vaccine, they GUESS which strain might appear in the coming year. That's right, they GUESS. They have no real way of knowing which strain will emerge in the coming year. They usually take the three strains they predict will appear and make a vaccine for them. So, if it happens in the next year that those three predicted strains emerge, then yes, the vaccine is helpful. But if other strains appear (which is almost always the case), then the vaccine is useless.
And while they say the vaccine is safe, many people get sick from it. I have witnessed this myself. My father was in perfect health when I was a child and took us all up to our school for a vaccination. Myself and my brothers were fine, but within hours my father became seriously ill. So, people can say what they want, I've seen people get very ill from vaccines with my own eyes. And I tell you, I have been very reluctant to get vaccines for myself or children since that incident. They offer free flu shots where I work and have for many years, I have never taken one yet, and have never had the flu. But I know of several fellow employees who got the shot and came down with the flu later. And one fellow employee got very ill within hours after receiveing the vaccine. In his own words he said it was the sickest he's ever been and he thought he was going to die. He said he will NEVER get another flu vaccine. And I am not making this up.
It's all about money. They make billions on these vaccines. But people will not usually get a vaccination without a little prodding, people don't like shots. So what do they do? They terrify you on the news.
I am not saying the flu isn't real, or that it isn't dangerous. But if you exercise good habits like washing your hands, eat a variety of good food and get good rest, your body will be very strong and can usually fight off diseases like this naturally.
Look, the flu has always been around, and probably will always be around. There are certain years where there are severe outbreaks, and this may very well be one of them. But to scare the public into believeing we are going to see the deaths seen in the 1918 outbreak is going overboard. Things are much different now. Medicine is much better, methods to control disease are better known. We don't have the crowding of millions of men in unsanitary conditions as happened in 1918. It is a known fact that the vast majority of outbreaks started on military camps and spread to the general public in the 1918 outbreak.
And what can be gained by terrifying the public? They don't even have a vaccine for it, or not nearly enough if they do.
The flu vaccine is pretty much a joke to begin with. There are hundreds of strains of influenza. When they decide to make a vaccine, they GUESS which strain might appear in the coming year. That's right, they GUESS. They have no real way of knowing which strain will emerge in the coming year. They usually take the three strains they predict will appear and make a vaccine for them. So, if it happens in the next year that those three predicted strains emerge, then yes, the vaccine is helpful. But if other strains appear (which is almost always the case), then the vaccine is useless.
And while they say the vaccine is safe, many people get sick from it. I have witnessed this myself. My father was in perfect health when I was a child and took us all up to our school for a vaccination. Myself and my brothers were fine, but within hours my father became seriously ill. So, people can say what they want, I've seen people get very ill from vaccines with my own eyes. And I tell you, I have been very reluctant to get vaccines for myself or children since that incident. They offer free flu shots where I work and have for many years, I have never taken one yet, and have never had the flu. But I know of several fellow employees who got the shot and came down with the flu later. And one fellow employee got very ill within hours after receiveing the vaccine. In his own words he said it was the sickest he's ever been and he thought he was going to die. He said he will NEVER get another flu vaccine. And I am not making this up.
It's all about money. They make billions on these vaccines. But people will not usually get a vaccination without a little prodding, people don't like shots. So what do they do? They terrify you on the news.
I am not saying the flu isn't real, or that it isn't dangerous. But if you exercise good habits like washing your hands, eat a variety of good food and get good rest, your body will be very strong and can usually fight off diseases like this naturally.
Originally Posted by Crabtownboy
You should know, you are one of the most bigoted people I have seen.
Bigoted against Whom ? Be specific, please.
I agree with most of what you said but who is "they?"
Where has swine flu been shown to be no more dangerous than normal flu?
If you mean by they when I said, "And while they say the vaccine is safe, many people get sick from it.", I mean health officials, and the companies that manufacture these vaccines.
Health officials and manufacturers have made many mistakes, I see ads from attorneys on TV every day asking people who have suffered injury from medical treatments or products to contact them.
A recent example is Gardasil. This product was rushed to the public before it was proven safe. Many young women have died from this vaccine. Many hundreds more have suffered severe side-effects including permanent disabilities. Some states tried to make this vaccination mandatory about 2 years ago. This particularly upsets me as I have a daughter the age when the vaccination is recommended.
http://www.cogforlife.org/gardasildeaths2008.htm
Gardasil is not needed if a young woman is not sexually active. So far, not one of my daughters (I have 6) were sexually active as a teen. So, I personally do not want this vaccination for my daughter.
You do not see it now, because the reports of these deaths are coming out, but a year or two ago there were vigorous campaign ads on TV for girls to get this vaccination.
You don't seem to understand that it is all about money. Drug companies do not want you well, there is no money in that. They want you sick so they can sell their product. If you are not sick they will create unreasonable fear in your mind so you will buy their product anyway. It works very well too, people are very afraid of sickness and disease.
You understand that we've had immunization laws as long as I can remember for entry into public school. From what I've found these seem to be state not federal laws. Here's an example, the immunization law history for Minn.
http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/idepc/immunize/laws/history.html
Somehow I've never been aware of any sizable disagreement with these laws. The vast majority of people fully supported them. I don't accept the statements made by the anti-Obamas here that swine flu vaccination is somehow a conspiracy to take away our freedom.
If you're against a specific vaccination then don't take it or allow your your children to take it. if it becomes a requirement for entering school your children won't be able to attend school just as they wouldn't be able to attend school if they don't take any of the currently required vaccinations.
Gosh, I can remember when Jonas Salk was thought of as an American hero for inventing a vaccine against polio. Now vaccines against potentially serious illnesses are thought of as conspiracies.
I think medical professionals know more than you do about the dangers of an epidemic. Why do you think otherwise?
Tom Ridge, remember him from the Bush administration, does not believe it is a hoax. Read the quote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9/09/02/DI2009090202809.html?hpid=discussions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9/09/02/DI2009090202809.html?hpid=discussions
So I'm guessing yer not going to tell me the victims of my bigotry ?