Diversion is what you are now doing.
I am talking about Ga health dept. You were. Now you off somewhere else.
I am for individual liberty. If individual liberty in this instance clashes with corporate liberty, I side with individual liberty.
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Flying and federal laws
- Thread starter carpro
- Start date
- Status
I am talking about Ga health dept. You were. Now you off somewhere else.
I am for individual liberty. If individual liberty in this instance clashes with corporate liberty, I side with individual liberty.
How did you get from federal mandates and constitutional rights to the GA health department?
In GA hospitals have to offer the flu vaccine to employees but the state does not require employees to be vaccinated.
This is NOT what I am talking about.
I am saying the actual business owner (or corporation as they are treated as a single entity) has the right to require vaccines.
I am asking YOU is YOU believe these rights should be taken away.
Also, what ate you talking about with people's "right" of employment. Where do you find these rights?
It is not about individual liberty because the right to work for a business does not exist
Face the truth. You are socialistic as long as it is your opinions and beliefs that are thrust upon the nation.
The encephalitis lethargica pandemic lasted 11 years.
The first cholera pandemic lasted 7 years.
The second cholera pandemic lasted 22 years.
The sixth cholera pandemic lasted 4 years.
The Italian Plague lasted 9 years.
I read it. I understand what it means, too.
why don't you source the basis for disregarding instructions by a crew member with something besides your feelings.
read up on Maritime law. That was applied to aviation before Lindbergh took the Spirit of St. Louis across the Atlantic.
As I indicated above ... I support repealing the mask rule/law/edict/policy ... whatever ... and I can throw all kinds of accolades at ya for being a customer, but the reality is, when you're on my airplane, you're mine. Responsible for your safety and security ... and full authority to attend to that task while you're aboard my airplane.
I have the materials in my professional gear ... but I'm not sufficient to transfer it to this medium, but the FAR referenced is the start. Just keep reading.
Fact is ... the PA could recite the entire FAR ... or it could just refer to Federal Law. And I understand you object to the terminology, but the meaning is the same.
....
yeah, I know ... Law vs reg vs whatever. When the reg says All authority, what does that mean to you?
What do you think "all authority" in Matthew 28 means?
Sorry Reynolds, I missed this early in the thread.
Thank you.
I've been trying to convey that if one needs to wear a mask ... and presumably this requirement is to mitigate the spread of CV, right? ... then it sounds like it's not safe to be on an airliner.
Of course it's safe to be on an airliner, but the industry/govt IS making counter points.
Super spreaders happen in places other than the cabin of an airliner.
I agree many pandemics lasted 2 years or less.
But the encephalitis lethargica pandemic lasted 11 years.
The first cholera pandemic lasted 7 years.
The second cholera pandemic lasted 22 years.
The sixth cholera pandemic lasted 4 years.
The Italian Plague lasted 9 years.
LOL .... I thought I had an acute case of "obsessive objection disorder" I'm not qualified to carry your OOD kit bag, Jon! LOL
The statement may have been absolute ... but clearly the vast majority of these things last < 24 months. So that's the driving point ... not the outliers that "oh you were wrong on these exceptions so therefore you must be wrong on this one too"
That's aggravating and doesn't contribute to the flow of the discussion. It's also the fav tactic of leftists. Focus on the exceptions rather than the most common.
Every person reading this except you and KenH know that you are the one who went down the path of Ga health dept could mandate vaccines. Now you act like I pulled Ga health dept out of thin air. I am for individual liberty. Communism nor socialism supports individual liberty, they support collective unity. You are siding with the Communists. The SQUAD is pro vaccine mandate. Just like you. Pro mandate, though you say you are not.
When you agree with the Democrats, you are not the conservative. If you and Pelosi agree, you honestly going to try to tell me that position is conservative.
You done trolled yourself into a leftist corner and now you trying to convince us that you are the Patriot. You are the Covid Caving, Covid Capitulating, wear you face diaper and get repeatedly jabbed sheep following the Judas goat.
That was because you are simply wrong.
I am arguing what is. You are arguing what you think should be.
Georgia Code Title 31. Health § 31-12-3
The department and all county boards of health are empowered to require, by appropriate rules and regulations, persons located within their respective jurisdictions to submit to vaccination against contagious or infectious disease where the particular disease may occur, whether or not the disease may be an active threat.
You are arguing that rights people currently have should be revoked. And that is fine. The problem is you are pretending these rights do not exist and are trying to grant rights that currently belong to business owners to "the people".
You hold socialistic ideologies. People do not have the right to emoyment at any given company. Men currently have the right to require vaccinations for their employees.
If you do not like the freedoms granted by our Constitution then try to encourage an ammendment to take them away.
But don't pretend to be supporting freedom. You are not. You are supporting a shift towards a socialistic culture where private businesses are no longer operated by business owners.
Jon. I explained that to you already. You are simply too hard headed to listen.
Georgia Code Title 31. Health § 31-12-3
The department and all county boards of health are empowered to require, by appropriate rules and regulations, persons located within their respective jurisdictions to submit to vaccination against contagious or infectious disease where the particular disease may occur, whether or not the disease may be an active threat.
On Saturday, a federal court ruling upheld the right of private employers to require all of their employees to get the COVID-19 shots, just as employers have already been permitted to order employees to get flu shots and other vaccines.
Employers can require workers to get Covid-19 vaccine | 11alive.com
Yes, your boss can require you get a COVID shot (and so can the government)
Employers must weigh many issues in considering vaccine mandates
EEOC Issues Updated COVID-19 Technical Assistance | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
You read in the links and it tells you the legality is not known. You look at the enforcement mechanism? In Ga law, it's non-enforceable.
After all criteria is met to activate the mandate. After more criteria is met to exclude religious exemption. After you have had warning, appeals, and more appeals, you can be charged with a misdamenor. As any person experienced in Ga law knows, the process of trying that can be drug out for 4 to six years easily. While you dragging the charge, they have no enforcement mechanism. Ga has a worthless law that is on its face useless that can never be activated unless the Dems control the Ga house.
@carpro
right out of the FAR posted above. Pick yer fav carrier. They all say the same in their conditions/contract of carriage which is agreed at the point of purchase. When you fail to follow the crew's (Capt's) instructions, you interfere with their duties to provide a safe/secure flight.
Conditions of carriage − Support − American Airlines
Conduct is considered to be disruptive or unruly when a Passenger fails to adhere to orderly rules of conduct while embarking upon or being carried onboard Carrier’s aircraft or fails to follow the instructions of the Crew and thereby disturbs the good order and discipline onboard the aircraft.
https://www.delta.com/us/en/legal/contract-of-carriage-dgr/
3) When the passenger interferes with the flight crew’s activities, or fails to obey the instruction of any member of the flight crew;
====================
So to close this little academic exercise ... yeah ... it's kinda important to behave properly on an airplane if ya want to have/keep a record clean of Federal conviction. I understand you take issue with the nomenclature/terminology of "Federal Law" but that's substantiated with a LOT more verbiage. So, "Federal Law" in the PA pretty well sums the issue. The ENTIRE operation is heavily regulated by Federal Law Congress has given "The Administrator" (of the FAA) to regulate the scheduled air carrier companies' operations specs, as well as aviation in general. "Deregulation" was limited to ticket prices and generally city pairs (though NY, DC and SNA still have slots governed by a govt body). Everything else about the aircraft operations/maintenance are EXCEEDINGLY regulated.
For better or for worse ... thanks for being a compliant passenger. Given what has transpired this year, the trigger is hair-pull. No one I know WANTS to see that happen, but as SouthWest's statement expounds "the good order and discipline onboard the aircraft" benefits all and it's the crew's job to make that happen.
Add a little cv jab mandate to threaten the livelihood and you have crew members/gate agents with an even shorter fuse.
right out of the FAR posted above. Pick yer fav carrier. They all say the same in their conditions/contract of carriage which is agreed at the point of purchase. When you fail to follow the crew's (Capt's) instructions, you interfere with their duties to provide a safe/secure flight.
Conditions of carriage − Support − American Airlines
- Attempt to interfere with the flight crew or refuse to obey instructions
- Passengers who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives;
Conduct is considered to be disruptive or unruly when a Passenger fails to adhere to orderly rules of conduct while embarking upon or being carried onboard Carrier’s aircraft or fails to follow the instructions of the Crew and thereby disturbs the good order and discipline onboard the aircraft.
https://www.delta.com/us/en/legal/contract-of-carriage-dgr/
3) When the passenger interferes with the flight crew’s activities, or fails to obey the instruction of any member of the flight crew;
====================
So to close this little academic exercise ... yeah ... it's kinda important to behave properly on an airplane if ya want to have/keep a record clean of Federal conviction. I understand you take issue with the nomenclature/terminology of "Federal Law" but that's substantiated with a LOT more verbiage. So, "Federal Law" in the PA pretty well sums the issue. The ENTIRE operation is heavily regulated by Federal Law Congress has given "The Administrator" (of the FAA) to regulate the scheduled air carrier companies' operations specs, as well as aviation in general. "Deregulation" was limited to ticket prices and generally city pairs (though NY, DC and SNA still have slots governed by a govt body). Everything else about the aircraft operations/maintenance are EXCEEDINGLY regulated.
For better or for worse ... thanks for being a compliant passenger. Given what has transpired this year, the trigger is hair-pull. No one I know WANTS to see that happen, but as SouthWest's statement expounds "the good order and discipline onboard the aircraft" benefits all and it's the crew's job to make that happen.
Add a little cv jab mandate to threaten the livelihood and you have crew members/gate agents with an even shorter fuse.
Yet it has never been illegal. Go figure.
Hmm ... is number 4 alluding to what no one really wants to say? Folks who've never flown before, feel like they're entitled to pre deregulation first class service on a $39 ticket with their covid money and never learned how to behave or dress properly anywhere in the first place?
IDK about the mask policy changes ... they started with the woke managements, and have been quite consistent: wear 'em ... over yer nose/mouth. The gaiter and vent port prohibitions were added in short order.
I will agree the mask requirement HAS contributed to a LOT of conflict ... including "karens" among the passengers.
unpredictable response to cv in air traffic control/traffic management has created a lot of headaches/diversions, etc.
I think crews overall have done a stellar job. I don't say that because I have 'em. I say that because it's the truth. OCCASIONALLY I'll get a FA who's wound up. It's my job to evaluate and if I can, unwind a little bit. Too much tension means we're not paying attention and the FAs are my "eyes/ears."
I witnessed a cop get jacked up at the gate desk one afternoon by a large passenger when a kerfuffle started by one of the groups boys trying to run by the agent, who grabbed him by the collar ... then there was a momma bear roar ... and it was on like donkey kong.
I couldn't believe the cop thrower wasn't immediately put down ... but that's a result of the faux BLM nonsense. Cops have been killed because of their unnecessary hesitation born by department "woke" policies. Civilians have been injured because of response time which isn't exactly "now."
there were issues operationally trying to get aircraft back into service from being temporarily "moth balled" ... also have had pilot training issues returning furloughed pilots and those on extended leave.
I'll lend my support for a "mask off" day at the airport (not ON THE AIRPLANE) but in the airport. Your crew isn't your opponent. You're in the same tube for crying out loud.
American Airlines says you must put you mask back on when you were chewing food. You could only pull it down to actually put food in your mouth.
Travel updates − Travel information − American Airlines
Travel updates − Travel information − American Airlines
This thread is closed
- Status