For Arminians Re: Free Will

Dan,
You misrepresent Mormons as well as Arminians. Shame on your childish behavior.

Mormons do not believe man can merit his own salvation, they believe that man can become Gods by continually doing good works. Becoming a God is not salvation it is achievement!

Having been associated with the Methodists for some time, I no of know arminians, who believe that God's choices are based upon what we do.

Instead, God established what man must meet in order to be acceptable to God. A form of "Election by human performance to God's standard". Some what like it was under the law where God said
"do this "..." and you shall have life", Well under the New Covenant, God says Believe this "..." and you shall have life.

God says have faith in my Son and I shall save you? The human gains faith in God's son and is therefore saved, just as God promised! The human who does not have faith in God's son, does not get saved, Just as God promised! Amazing how that works.

No Arminian believes that "Christ died to open a path..." They do however believe that, by Jesus' atonement for sin, there is no longer a penalty to be paid by man, therefore man can, through faith in Jesus, Have everlasting life.

If you don't believe that Your salvation is in jeopardy! If you are waiting for God to do some magical hocus-pocus on you to save you, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. God told us his Standard for our salvation. Live up to it or die the second death!

 

Sorry Wes,

You are wrong on Mormonism.
You are saved by faith "AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO".

My wife was a temple Mormon (before I met her) I was studying at the time to work for Hank Hanagraff at CRI. I know just about every cult VERY well, Mormonism VERY MUCH SO depends on works for salvation...


"No Arminian believes that "Christ died to open a path..." They do however believe that, by Jesus' atonement for sin, there is no longer a penalty to be paid by man, therefore man can, through faith in Jesus, Have everlasting life. "

You just proved yourself wrong Wes!

Christ DIDN'T "open a path" ?.. But then you go on to say Jesus atoned for sin ... not to SAVE but so man CAN (speaks of ABILITY) have faith... that my friend is what you just said Arminians DON't DO! Jesus opened a path so man CAN have faith.... NOT to save... you refuted yourself in one paragraph !!

 

Arminianism is a cult in disguise. It has crept it's way into Baptist churches and may be the ultimate cause of preachers burning out in the ministry, people doubting their salvation, and evangelism dying a slow painful death. We need to return to the strong anti-man centered fundamental view of grace and reject the semi-pelagian philosophy that is overtaking Christendom.

Dan [/QB][/QUOTE]

This sort of nonsense shows nothing but the ignorance that you speak from! To say that Arminianism is a "cult" in disguise is to judge millions of Bible-believing, Christ loving Christians! Are you telling me that the likes of John and Charles Wesley, whose works and Hymns are also used by Calvinists, were part of a "cult"? I think that you are in serious need of some help!

Just because you cannot argue against the truth, you stoop low to condemn others!

 

Hi Icthus

rc, really,,,, should just be ignored. Christ told us to dust off our shoes to those who reject the truth of the gospel.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

Icthus, Please remember that I didn't say arminians were cultists. I said it was a cult in disguise. Any man-centered doctrine is rooted in sin and deception. By our modern Christian definition of a cult, Arminianism doesn't qualify. There is no charismatic leader and no new revelation. Many other aspects of a cult are in place, however- up to and including a distortion of the truth. I know Arminians aren't cultists- I was an arminian for most of my saved life! I do realize, however, that arminianism is the cause of many of our problems and will continue to destroy the church if we don't see revival of good doctrine.

In Christ,

Daniel Allen

 

Um. I learned about Mormonism from a former Mormon. He wrote lots of articles for my website (here)

It's not childish because you disagree with it. Frankly I think your calling me childish is childish

You know I was gonna reply to the rest of your post but I think I can do it in one sentence:

You contradict yourself in every paragraph.

Dan

 

Contradict? You mean the way that you do? Tell us all something you know is a deliberate lie?

 

Mormonism:
You are saved by faith, {after all you can do}

Arminianism:
You are saved by faith, (by your UNDERSTANDING and humility that is INTRINSIC) ...

same difference.

Arminians are NOT cultist or in a CULT... The statement of faith by Wes, ILL and the like are in THE God ...
I believe that what whetstone was getting at is their SOTIEROLOGY is the same in MOST part.

THe fine line is Mormonism puts their reliance on their WORKS for their salvation, where Arminians put their faith in faith alone.

The Calvinist put their faith in God's promise that those who have faith is a testimony that God SAVED them BY Grace through faith.

 

rc, were you saved as a calvinist, or after reading the teahcings of men? Did calvinism "just come to you" one day?

Why is it that calvinists seem to be "holier than thou" with such great intelligence and inerrant Bible knowledge that has been passed down from wonderful teachers and scholars?

Is the Bible REALLY intended to be such a riddle that through excruciating studying and eisegeisi the REAL truth is known? Just curious.

 

I'm not RC either, but i'll respond. I became a Calvinist by reading the NT through twice completely last fall. I didn't read a single book/pamphlet by a Calvinist until the Bible had convinced me of the errors of my 4 point Arminianism. I'm not holier than thou. Only a sinner saved by grace.