"For God SO LOVES the HUMAN RACE..."

[1689Dave]

I don't have to google it. I have read his Institutions. It is always best to read source materials instead of propaganda.

In Institutions Book 2 Calvin speaks of the church as God's people and Christians as heris of God rather than non-Christians who are "heirs of Hell".

Book 2, the reprobate (those who do not believe) face righteous destruction.

Book 3 deals with the eternal punishment of the reprobate (compare to the correction of the believer).

Please provide a reference of Calvin affirming universal salvation. Is there a document you have in mind by Calvin renouncing his writings denying universalism?

We still have a universal atonement with Calvin. Election is another topic.

 

[JonC]

We still have a universal atonement with Calvin. Election is another topic.

I agree we have a universal atonement. I thought you meant universal salvation (my bad).

Calvin, Augustine, Luther, Zwingli, ... all of these taught that Christ died for all (for the sin of the human race). You are right that it was the next generation (Beza's) that refined the doctrine.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding. When I read " universalism" I was thinking capital "U" and salvation rather than propitiation.

 

[Reformed1689]

I have been asked and have answered that question many times over the years. Do you have any original with you questions?

So why don't you answer it for me, I haven't been here for years.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Mr. Davis]

The atonement is limited to the elect. Irresistible grace is a result of turning the gospel into law and grace into works that the elect perform by grace. The truth is that Christ justifies the elect by his blood and based on this, God regenerates them giving a new holy nature that lives accordingly. Upon hearing the gospel they naturally believe and follow Christ.

Thank you.
Do you believe Ephesians 1 says that the saved were predestined to be so?

 

[37818]

Then you are implying the atonement has nothing to do with sin.

No. It serves either to cause judgement of the non-elect or to save God's elect.

 

[MB]

In what way is it "plainly obvious?" If I've goofed in my Greek grammar, you're free to point it out--if you know Greek. If you don't, however, you don't have a way to even adjudicate what I'm saying, other than to resort to the liar-liar-pants-on-fire when you disagree.




As for the other drivel you've posted here in this post, it adds nothing to the conversation--except to attack me personally, which doesn't deserve a response other than to say having a level of expertise (though certainly not the highest of levels) does not a "complex" make.

The Archangel

Everything you have said here is absolute nonsense. I don't believe anything you said about the subject. In the context of Jn 3:16 the word "World" is all inclusive. And you haven't proven it any different. All you've done is complain about what you do not accept as truth. You seem to be all about confusion, and acting like you have all the answers However I'm not impressed by your drivel
MB

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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