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For love of KJV

rockytopva

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I have used the KJV Open Bible for as long as I can remember. I can remember the Free Will Baptist church awarding me my first KJV Open Bible at the age of 18 for teaching a year of Sunday School there and have delighted in it ever since.

But... There are sometimes I quote out of the KJV and must go back and make sure that the point was well understood and that I did not speak alien to newcomers .
 

rockytopva

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The First Freewill Baptist Church. Good bunch of people! They would treat me out to dinner on Sundays after church. They also had wonderful foot washing services and would lay their hands and pray for me as they went through the ritual. Use to leave with a wonderful clean feeling as well. Hoping they are still open!

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AustinC

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I have used the KJV Open Bible for as long as I can remember. I can remember the Free Will Baptist church awarding me my first KJV Open Bible at the age of 18 for teaching a year of Sunday School there and have delighted in it ever since.

But... There are sometimes I quote out of the KJV and must go back and make sure that the point was well understood and that I did not speak alien to newcomers .
Moderators, what does this have to do with Calvinism and Arminianism? Which forum is better? Perhaps the KJV forum, but not this forum.

Rocky, notice how much your posts are all about you.
 

rockytopva

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Moderators, what does this have to do with Calvinism and Arminianism? Which forum is better? Perhaps the KJV forum, but not this forum.

Rocky, notice how much your posts are all about you.
Rockytopva... I say the old Calvinistic axe is too good for him!
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rockytopva

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I don't ever remember, though, with my time with the Freewill Baptist, if we ever had a reference to John Calvin or Michael Servetus. It was all KJV Bible with a wonderful bunch of people who all loved me and encouraged me in my Christian faith.
 

AustinC

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Rockytopva... I say the old Calvinistic axe is too good for him!
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I don't ever remember, though, with my time with the Freewill Baptist, if we ever had a reference to John Calvin or Michael Servetus. It was all KJV Bible with a wonderful bunch of people who all loved me and encouraged me in my Christian faith.
We get it. You love yourself and love telling us about you, you, you. Clearly you think highly of yourself.
 

rockytopva

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@rockytopva,
What especially did you love about the KJV? Or was it being an open Study Bible?

When I became born-again, or a babe in Christ, I sincerely desired the Word of God. I would look up words I did not understand using the large Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. I also love oratorio's such as Handle's Messiah performed in the King James.I am simply too far along in the KJV to get into any other version. But... I must admit... I must be careful using the KJV in this generation that I come out as someone not speaking their language.
 

AustinC

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When I became born-again, or a babe in Christ, I sincerely desired the Word of God. I would look up words I did not understand using the large Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. I also love oratorio's such as Handle's Messiah performed in the King James.I am simply too far along in the KJV to get into any other version. But... I must admit... I must be careful using the KJV in this generation that I come out as someone not speaking their language.
Seems you have an "I" problem.
 

Martin Marprelate

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In Britain, the KJV churches tend to be Reformed.
Because of sickness (flu and Covid), my church didn't have an evening service yesterday so I visited a KJV only church about 7 miles away. Before they called a minister, I used to preach there from time to time and they are lovely folk. I never minded dusting off my KJV to take the service
Yesterday the minister preached very well, and I was blessed by the fellowship, but I couldn't become a member. I studied Shakespeare at school quite a bit and so don't have too much trouble with the language, but I wonder how much some of the congregation yesterday understood of what they were hearing read, and how young ot teenage children would get on with it.
 

JonC

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@Martin Marprelate ,

I suspect part of the appeal of the KJV is the language. It is to a contemporary reader a step up in terms of eloquence, and I think it may sound sacred to the modern ear.

I've attended excellent sermons given using the KJV (at KJO churches). I've also attended some where the sermon was based on a misunderstanding of the antiquated English. Sometimes it is not only the congregation that misses the point of a KJV passage.

One plus about using the KJV is it forces us to think outside of our vernacular. A minis may be a type of double translation (what were the KJV translators saying, then how did this translate).

The KJV is a beautiful translation, albeit one I rarely use.
 

Alan Gross

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from: https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/grace-journal/07-3_13.pdf

"WHAT IS THE GOD-BREATHED SCRIPTURE? 17

When we say that the Scripture is profitable,
what is meant is that the truth which the words of Scripture express,
is profitable.

It is for this reason, that the science of textual criticism is so important
and that the science of translation is equally if not more significant.

What we need is to know precisely what it is that God said to man.

To know this we must engage in translation.

Perhaps it is not out of place to stress the fact
that competent translation is one of the most important tasks
of the serious Bible student as it is also one of the great needs of the day.

And the reason why it is so important
is that translation attempts to place in our own language
the very thoughts of the original.


The competent translator seeks not to impose upon the original
his own thoughts nor merely to paraphrase the original
but rather to say in his own language precisely
what is found in the original.

Hence we see the importance of maintaining
the doctrine of the verbal inspiration of the Bible,

for it is only through the words of Scripture
that the truths of Scripture may be conveyed.

At first sight it might seem, and indeed there are those
who tell us that such is the case,
that the really important thing is not the words of the Bible after all,
but rather the truths which the Bible teaches.

"If we have these truths," so the argument seems to run,
"we have the message which God wanted us to have,
and that is the crucial thing."

And coupled with such assertions one often finds a warning
against the sin of Bibliolatry.

Truth, however, must be conveyed in words
if there is to be effective and lasting communication.

We cannot really have the truth of the Bible
or its teachings unless these things find expression in words.

The divorce between the message of the Scripture
and the words in which that message is couched is largely an illusory one.

If we destroy the words of the Bible we simply do not have its message.

It is important that we have the words of God
in order that we have the Word of God.

Indeed, without the one we do not have the other,
for the two are really one.

The words which God has spoken to us are His message, His Word.

Hence, in the nature of the case, it should appear
that only the words which God spoke are of profit to us today.

And the loving care which has been expended by so many
upon the text of the Bible is really evidence of the fact
that those who expend this care realize how all-important it is
that we have the very words of God.

With the copies of the Bible extant sufficient of the original
has been preserved so that we have the message of God.


That, however, which is profitable is Scripture,
and if we are to receive profit we must have the Scripture.
 
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