Originally posted by Link:
DHK
I don't recall your giving me an answer to this question. How do you explain this?
The Bible lists multiple purposes for tongues, such as edifying the speaker-- and the congregation if used with interpretation, and also as a sign. If you argue that the function of tongues as a sign has ceased, how can you argue that the gift has ceased if there are other purposes for the gift? The church still needs edifying.
#1. Does tongues edify the speaker. The answer is no. First, Biblical tongues (now ceased), were foreign languages. If Paul went to Spain (as is supposed), and God gave him the gift of speaking Spanish, it would not edify Paul unless he had prayed that he himself would also have the gift of interpretation, so that he could understand what he was saying.
There is no edification without understanding! That is the underlying them throughout the fourteenth chapter of First Corinthians.
Secondly, Tongues does not edify the speaker because it is not biblical.
ALL the spiritual gifts, including tongues, were given for the benefit of the
whole church, the entire church. Tongues is not a selfish gift just for one person. It doesn't just edify the speaker for it was not meant for just the speaker. That part is just unbiblical.
Thirdly, As tongues realtes to the modern mystical gibberish that is wrongly called "speaking in tongues" today, the answer is still No. It doesn't edify anyone, and only makes the devil happy. Gibberish isn't speaking in tongues (languages). It is a search of a mystical experience that gives an emotional high, an ecstasy--for some similar to the high that some drugs would give. Then you have a let-down, and you need to pump yourself up again by speaking in tongues all the more. It's a dangerous game to play--certainly not of the Holy Spirit, not a language, not even a heavenly one.
#2. Does it edify the congregation if used with an interpreter?
The Biblical answer to that is yes, provided it was used for the purpose that God gave it:
1. to authenticate the messenger and its message (the apostles)
2. as a sign to unbelieving Israel.
--Both of those conditions were present in the first century.
However both of those conditions are not present it today's situation. It was a sign to unbelieving Israel. It isn't a sign forever. It was a sign for a reason. The sign had an impending judgement. God was saying that I have spoken to you in a language you can and have understood and you have not obeyed. There will come a time when I will speak in a language you cannot understand. That is a sign. If you do not obey then, be sure judgment is nigh. They did not obey. They crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. Still they did not obey at Pentecost, and throughout the book of Acts as opportunity after opportunity presented itself. Paul turned to the Gentiles because of their unbelief. And that particular prophecy was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
As for today, gibberish doesn't edify the congregation, and is untranslatable. If no one knows what is being said no one can know how to translate it. No one can verify either the message or the translation thereof. It is a hoax.
#3."If you argue that the function of tongues as a sign has ceased, how can you argue that the gift has ceased."
--As I already explained above the gift was a sign. The two are the same. Believers were edified with a translator (interpreter), but at the same time it was used as a sign.
It did however have another purpose according to 1Cor.13:8-13--and that falls into the category of edification of the church without being a sign. I believe that tongues was sometimes used (as the gift of prophecy was) to give revelation to the church while the canon of Scripture was not yet complete. With the completion of the Book of Revelation, that purpose also was completed and thus tongues was not needed any longer. That is a third purpose. But it also ended at the end of the first century.
#4. The church still needs edifying.
--Indeed it does. But it doesn't need tongues.
God has given us pastors, preachers, evangelists, teachers to edify the church. There are many ways in which our church is edified. We are commanded even to edify one another. The churches today do quite well without the sign gifts that passed out of existence in the first century.
DHK