For those who think the GOP has done nothing to stop abortion

[saturneptune]

I find it sadly ironic that BB and SN cannot refute the OP - just more bitter cynicism. I think most of us agree that the GOP has not done enough on the abortion issue. But to say they have "done nothing" or there is "no difference" between them and the abortion-loving Democrats, is an absolute lie.

Your problem, along with WC, is that you are Republican apologists. From the correct perspective, you two should be lumped into one catagory with BB because you support a party and its policies on abortion that have the same outcome as the Democrats. All three of you are liberal, and that is the mindset that has our nation going down the tubes today.

 

[saturneptune]

I am not excited about the GOP but on this issue the hype is just ridiculous.

Yes, protecting the lives of the unbron is hype and ridiculous.

 

[chuck2336]

So since very little has or can be done, should we stop all efforts? Just give up?

How about the war on drugs this has been going on for a long time now and we still have drugs, should we quit?

Or how about helping the poor, we have been doing this for a very long time, yet despite our best efforts there are still poor all around us, do we give up?

My point to all of this is simple, we do not give up or give in we continue the fight until either God calls us home or none of these (and more) exist.

 

[OldRegular]

The reason that abortions, at a rate of about 1.3 million per year, continues after 35 years is that about half the people in this country who claim to be Christians continue to vote for the party whose philosophy is strongly pro abortion, the democrat party.

 

[Andy T.]

Your problem, along with WC, is that you are Republican apologists. From the correct perspective, you two should be lumped into one catagory with BB because you support a party and its policies on abortion that have the same outcome as the Democrats. All three of you are liberal, and that is the mindset that has our nation going down the tubes today.

Boy, you sure like making wild assumptions and painting with a broad brush. Thanks for the love and understanding.

Have you looked at the results of the study in the article? Do you understand that parental consent laws, enacted largely by Republicans, have actually saved lives? Any reasonable person would see that is not "the same outcome" as having Democrats in control. But you are not reasonable on this issue.

 

[windcatcher]

Your problem, along with WC, is that you are Republican apologists. From the correct perspective, you two should be lumped into one catagory with BB because you support a party and its policies on abortion that have the same outcome as the Democrats. All three of you are liberal, and that is the mindset that has our nation going down the tubes today.

Yes and you are judgemental and a hypocrit to judge me based on such little data.....add to that narrow minded...... and YES this is an unwholesome, unloving, unbrethern like attack on you and your statement as it attacks me and my character and is wholely and completely misrepresentative of me!

Now that I got my pride and ego out of the way.... let me correct ...I am not a Republican apologist, or if you perceive me to be a Republican apologist.... simply because I try to bring a balance into the 'Republicans are as guilt as Democrats' which you keep spouting then you are a Democrat apologist in disquise!

Actually, I am frist an foremost a Christian who believes in Biblical values.... which in this moment of my ire may be compromised by my carnality in dealing so emotionally with a brother!

Secondly, I am conservative, anti-socialist, constitutionallist, and believe in the practice of charity but not hand outs and welfare, in borders and sovereignty of countries and not unconditional alliances, who believes in the right to own property and that continuing taxation is a form of governmetn ownership which was not intended by our founders, that the right to travel within our borders should not be dependant upon a license, that the government has no ownership over a marriage nor children, and it is the job of the parents, the church or the local community to provide for their education and not the federal government to dictate, that health care is my personal responsibility not the government's, that free speach means any form of demonstration or speach which does not interfer with the right of others and is neither vulgar nor profane and does not incite to murder or riot, and that people have the right to possess and bear arms first to protect their family and neighbors, to protect against criminal threat to life..... and, if need be..... to protect against unlawful government intrusion....albeit.... we know who wins in that case.

I believe in a strong military defense, and wars based upon defense....not economics nor alliances nor issues related solely upon the governments or the peoples within other nations. I believe in a value based monetary system with limited usuary, independant of the IMF World Bank and Federal Reserve. I believe only citizens and legal residents have the right to property ownership. I believe in private ownership and utilization of our resources, private industry and investment, and breaking up of monopolies of media and industry consolidation. I believe in free markets when it means the farmer is free to choose what he grows and to market his goods at his price and replant his seed and raise his livestock without accounting to government for much more than the safety and purity of the food.

I'm against the income tax; it is excessive and unfair..... for the poor it represses jobs and creates difficult hurdles in the funding of regulations; for the rich, it either contains too many loopholes for the Buffets and the Rockefellars of this world to escape paying any... to an excessive tax on others who are rich but outside the club of tax escappees but who would actively provide jobs and employment opportunies and investment within our country; I believe in import duties to fund government and help local industry to compete with imported products. I believe in a government so small that it can run on these revenus. I believe in abolishing or reducing the capital gains tax and the estate tax on inheritance.

In lieu of suits and torts, I believe in enforcing criminal actions or professional discipline in cases of liability and mal practice.... and that all complaints should be a matter of public record to include the outcome of judgement or vindication with an option to counter for reparative cost. I donot believe in compulsory insurance. It disproportionatly taxes the poor while sparing the rich and increase the price and hinders the delievery for all parties who depend on and find big business in third party payees moneies.

I believe that charity begins at home, is best managed by the churches within or ministering to communities of less fortune and local charities based upon local needs. I believe it is the right and responsibility of the community or the county and last of all the state to dictate the laws of morality beyond the most basic of not committing murder or stealing, and to define what is contraband. I believe in the rights of states and localities to allow the individual equiping and to provide training for citizen militias. I believe if the abortion issue had remained where it belonged....not in the federal courts, it would not have become a national issue. I believe no employer has any obligation to any type of household or cohabitation beyond his obligation to all employees.... and the right to establish his obligations as a part of the wage contract.
P.S. I grouped this together so fast..... I reserve the right, as any politician, to change my mind at any time.... based upon new or improved information or persuasion. (i.e. a few million in reserves might help seal the deal!.....Hey....this is meant to be a joke though I could use the money!)

:laugh:

Now, if you wish to vote for me for President just write me in on the ballot........:laugh: :wavey:

Or vote for a candidate who is more balanced, realistic and less extreme than me by voting for Chuck Baldwin.

A vote for any other leads us down the same road.

 

[JustChristian]

I find it sadly ironic that BB and SN cannot refute the OP - just more bitter cynicism. I think most of us agree that the GOP has not done enough on the abortion issue. But to say they have "done nothing" or there is "no difference" between them and the abortion-loving Democrats, is an absolute lie.

The topic should be why have the Republicans done so little to stop the legal abortion process that they started through the Republican dominated Roe vs. Wade court.

 

[windcatcher]

The topic should be why have the Republicans done so little to stop the legal abortion process that they started through the Republican dominated Roe vs. Wade court.

Why haven't the Democrats done something? Since you keep playing the partisan hype...... good dog.... bad dog.... either way they are both dogs and you think either control the courts....

Constitutionally, the only way they can control the SCOTUS is by removing justices based upon 'bad behavior' or by enacting a law which controls and limits the time a justice can serve. Once nominated by the POTUS, an appointee cannot be a justice until the Congress agrees....... that is one limiting factor against the POTUS and gives the Congress power.

Once serving, the SCOTUS obligations is to judge whether or not law is constitutional based upon the Constitution of the United States.

Have you any idea what scholars study to become attorneys and eventually judges and justices? They study case law. Little or nothing is done in the law schools to teach The Constitution of the United States.

Judges making law is an excuse for any state or federal legislative body ignoring the actions of their courts! In each case, they have the power to call those judges who 'make law' by their decisions, to account for 'their bad behavior' and be removed from serving the bench. When is the last time you heard of a SCOTUS justice being removed?

Washington is BROKEN because the people leading us, neither know the constitution, nor are observant in protecting and using the powers of their respective offices to control the other 2 branches of government.

Since government is already active in dictating ciriculums to schools, The Constitution of the United States ough to be necessary reading in English class, and History classes, and in Socialogy Courses or otherwise covered by every student in high school before he's allowed to graduate!

 

[windcatcher]

The topic should be why have the Republicans done so little to stop the legal abortion process that they started through the Republican dominated Roe vs. Wade court.

I think the one who started this thread has that right......

Why don't you start your own and leave this thread alone since you feel it is not discussing your topic.....

 

[OldRegular]

The topic should be why have the Republicans done so little to stop the legal abortion process that they started through the Republican dominated Roe vs. Wade court.

It was not a Republican dominated Supreme Court. It was dominated by men who had been appointed by Republicans. However, some of these men were decievers, aptly described by the following Scripture:

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Obama is a perfect example of such men. Little is known about him. What is known is not good and is ignored by the screaming masses who have bought in to Louis Farrakan? description of him as messiah. When a Muslim calls Obama messiah it should make people suspicious.

I recall in one debate when Hillary Clinton mockingly spoke about celestial? light shining down on Obama, an epiphany.

 

[JustChristian]

Why haven't the Democrats done something? Since you keep playing the partisan hype...... good dog.... bad dog.... either way they are both dogs and you think either control the courts....

Constitutionally, the only way they can control the SCOTUS is by removing justices based upon 'bad behavior' or by enacting a law which controls and limits the time a justice can serve. Once nominated by the POTUS, an appointee cannot be a justice until the Congress agrees....... that is one limiting factor against the POTUS and gives the Congress power.

Once serving, the SCOTUS obligations is to judge whether or not law is constitutional based upon the Constitution of the United States.

Have you any idea what scholars study to become attorneys and eventually judges and justices? They study case law. Little or nothing is done in the law schools to teach The Constitution of the United States.

Judges making law is an excuse for any state or federal legislative body ignoring the actions of their courts! In each case, they have the power to call those judges who 'make law' by their decisions, to account for 'their bad behavior' and be removed from serving the bench. When is the last time you heard of a SCOTUS justice being removed?

Washington is BROKEN because the people leading us, neither know the constitution, nor are observant in protecting and using the powers of their respective offices to control the other 2 branches of government.

Since government is already active in dictating ciriculums to schools, The Constitution of the United States ough to be necessary reading in English class, and History classes, and in Socialogy Courses or otherwise covered by every student in high school before he's allowed to graduate!

I don't know what you're going on and on about. The Republicans are responsible for making abortion legal in the United States because the clear majority of the Roe vs. Wade court was appointed by Republican Presidents.


Roe vs. Wade Court

BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C. J., and DOUGLAS, BRENNAN, STEWART, MARSHALL, and POWELL, JJ., joined. BURGER, C. J., post, p. 207, DOUGLAS, J., post, p. 209, and STEWART, J., post, p. 167, filed concurring opinions. WHITE, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which REHNQUIST, J., joined, post, p. 221. REHNQUIST, J., filed a dissenting opinion, post, p. 171.


Majority

BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court - R Nixon (R)

BURGER, C. J., - R Nixon (R)

DOUGLAS, J., - FD Roosevelt (D)

BRENNAN - D Eisenhower (R)

STEWART, J., - D Eisenhower (R)

MARSHALL - LB Johnson (D)

POWELL, JJ - R Nixon (R)

Dissenting

WHITE, J., JF Kennedy (D)

REHNQUIST, J., R Nixon (R)

http://partners.is.asu.edu/~george/vacancy/justices.html
http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/410us113.htm


5 Republicans and 2 Democrats were in the Majority and 1 Republican and 1 Democrat were Dissenting.

 

[windcatcher]

I don't know what you're going on and on about. The Republicans are responsible for making abortion legal in the United States because the clear majority of the Roe vs. Wade court was appointed by Republican Presidents.


Roe vs. Wade Court

BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C. J., and DOUGLAS, BRENNAN, STEWART, MARSHALL, and POWELL, JJ., joined. BURGER, C. J., post, p. 207, DOUGLAS, J., post, p. 209, and STEWART, J., post, p. 167, filed concurring opinions. WHITE, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which REHNQUIST, J., joined, post, p. 221. REHNQUIST, J., filed a dissenting opinion, post, p. 171.


Majority

BLACKMUN, J., delivered the opinion of the Court - R Nixon (R)

BURGER, C. J., - R Nixon (R)

DOUGLAS, J., - FD Roosevelt (D)

BRENNAN - D Eisenhower (R)

STEWART, J., - D Eisenhower (R)

MARSHALL - LB Johnson (D)

POWELL, JJ - R Nixon (R)

Dissenting

WHITE, J., JF Kennedy (D)

REHNQUIST, J., R Nixon (R)

http://partners.is.asu.edu/~george/vacancy/justices.html
http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/410us113.htm


5 Republicans and 2 Democrats were in the Majority and 1 Republican and 1 Democrat were Dissenting.

(To myself...... it's so hard argueing with stupid.... but since I was addressed......)

Dear BaptistBeliever, calm down before you blow a fuse!

Frankly you seem to be a little confused.
Actually lets examine your Justices in regard to their own political persuasion:

Blackmum---------a Republican
Burger-------------a Republican
Douglas-----------a Democrat
Brennan-----------a Democrat
Stewart------------a Republican
Marshall------------a Democrat
Powell--------------a Democrat

Dissenting:
White--------------a Democrat
Rehnquist---------a Republican

Can you agree with this? That ruling in favor of Roe was a total of 7 justices, 3 of whom were Republican and 4 who were Democrats.

Dissenting were 2 justices, one a Democrat and one a Republican.

If not then reconsult your tables.

 

[windcatcher]

(To myself...... it's so hard argueing with stupid.... but since I was addressed......)

Dear BaptistBeliever, calm down before you blow a fuse!

Frankly you seem to be a little confused.
Actually lets examine your Justices in regard to their own political persuasion:

Blackmum---------a Republican
Burger-------------a Republican
Douglas-----------a Democrat
Brennan-----------a Democrat
Stewart------------a Republican
Marshall------------a Democrat
Powell--------------a Democrat

Dissenting:
White--------------a Democrat
Rehnquist---------a Republican

Can you agree with this? That ruling in favor of Roe was a total of 7 justices, 3 of whom were Republican and 4 who were Democrats.

Dissenting were 2 justices, one a Democrat and one a Republican.

If not then reconsult your tables.

Guess this was just too much for BaptistBeliever..... did he go home?

 

[christianyouth]

Also remember that the Republican party since the emergence of the 'religious right' has been forced to be more conservative. Now since conservative Christians make up it's largest constituency, it is in it's best interests to be more conservative on domestic policy issues(even if they aren't on foreign policy and economic issues). So even if Republican did not equal conservative on domestic policy issues in the time of Roe V Wade, it doesn't mean that it doesn't now.

Just as the Democrats have a large constituency of secularists and must appeal to them, so Republicans have a large constituency of Christians.

BTW, this is frustrating. I do battle with secularists a lot. They know and promote liberal domestic policies, and they can defend them. But what is odd, is when you find out that the Democratic party is against school choice, favors mandatory public school education(as indicated by California, the most liberal state), often brings charges against parental rights(you can point toward Europe, the city set on a hill for the liberals), and then you have Christians who get behind this agenda.

These are people who are trying to make us a Germany or France on domestic policy, countries where Christian schools are forced to teach a very humanistic curriculum and where homeschooling is considered bizarre, and at least in Germany, illegal. Education is the defining issue, if liberals can breed abunch of secular humanists through public schooling, as has been the case with Germany, the first state to institute compulsory state education, then Christianity dies, and people go to hell.

And students today have a scientific world view, are pluralistic, femministic. Where are they learning this? In school. Daniel Dennet has been pushing to teach religion from an evolutionary perspective in public schools here in the US. That would be bad.

 

[Andy T.]

BTW, this is frustrating. I do battle with secularists a lot. They know and promote liberal domestic policies, and they can defend them. But what is odd, is when you find out that the Democratic party is against school choice, favors mandatory public school education(as indicated by California, the most liberal state), often brings charges against parental rights(you can point toward Europe, the city set on a hill for the liberals), and then you have Christians who get behind this agenda.

That's because the liberal mindset is anti-freedom, unless it deals with something evil like abortion, then it is all about freedom to choose such evil. In essence, liberalism is a philosophy that calls evil good and good evil.

 

[Andy T.]

The topic should be why have the Republicans done so little to stop the legal abortion process that they started through the Republican dominated Roe vs. Wade court.

BB, let's deal with the OP first. I have a question: Do you think parental consent laws are good? If not, please defend such disagreement biblically. If yes, then the next question is: Why are the vast majority of elected Democrats against such parental consent laws? And why are many Republicans for such laws? And why does it pain you to say that those Republicans are right and have done good on this issue?

 

[just-want-peace]

BB, let's deal with the OP first. I have a question: Do you think parental consent laws are good? If not, please defend such disagreement biblically. If yes, then the next question is: Why are the vast majority of elected Democrats against such parental consent laws? And why are many Republicans for such laws? And why does it pain you to say that those Republicans are right and have done good on this issue?

Bolded mine!

When your head is locked in the left-looking position, one just simply goes in circles, and the same ole cliches pop up regularly.

Fer instance "BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED", and this thread, "Rs HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT ABORTION", etc, etc!!

It's obvious if you peruse this board fer a spell.