BobRyan
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Ray -
According to Bokenkotters "Concise History of the Catholic Church" the same cardinals that elect Urban claim that the "mob" altered the elections and so they elected another Pope - free of the mob. And thus began the great schism pg 166-168.
Before the schism - when Gregory XI died the Romans feared a French Pope "might" be elected. As Bokenkotter states (pg 166)
At this time they also burned John Huss at the stake!! (err - I mean "exterminated" him) What a fitting crime.
On November 11, 1417 the used a new system - the cardinals were joined by six delegates of each RC nation - thirty in all - . That group then selected the next Pope - a complete break from all three papal lines !!!!
In Christ,
Bob
According to Bokenkotters "Concise History of the Catholic Church" the same cardinals that elect Urban claim that the "mob" altered the elections and so they elected another Pope - free of the mob. And thus began the great schism pg 166-168.
Before the schism - when Gregory XI died the Romans feared a French Pope "might" be elected. As Bokenkotter states (pg 166)
finally they came across the solution "the resignation of both Popes". A solution they would try when opportunity was present."dismay soon gave way to panic as the sixteen cardinals assembled on April 7 1378. Some of them were assaulted in the street and warned by the bullies to elect (Urban vi) an Italian... The cardinals quickly elected an Italian, the archbishop of Bari, Bartholomew Prignano, who was not even of their number. In the meantime, a mob in ugly mood had seized the papal wine cellars and invaded the Vatican; while waiting for Prignano to arrive, the cardinals dressed up one of their colleagues and presented him in papal robes to pacify the crowd.
Whether the cardinals were really overpowered by fear and hence unfree when they elected Prignano - as they later charged - will, it seems, remain forever one of the tantalizing but insoluble questions of RC history...
The schism began when the cardinals - whose original misgivings were greatly exacerbated by Urban's behavior - decided they had had enough. Abandoning Rome, they took refuge at Fondi, and then elaborated an encyclical in which they declared Prignano's election invalid and denounced him has antichrist, demon, apostate, and tyrant...on September 20 1378 they unanimously elected a new Pope, Rober of Geneva, who took the name Clement VII.
..both Popes received support from civil governments - splitting western Christendom into two camps. The holy Roman emperor, England, the Netherlands, Castille, Hungary, Poland and Portugal stood behind Urban, while France rallied to Clement VII, who returned to Avignon in 1379 and was soon joined by Scottland, Luxembourg and Austria...(Italy itself was too confused for either side to count on)...
Urban proclaimed a crusade against clement and hired the sanguinary Charles of Durazzo to oust the renegade queen Joan from Naples. The English invaded France in order to break it's allegiance with Clement
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Both Popes found military operations to be expensive, and the papal tax collectors where forced to use ever harsher methods to squeeze every penny out of the constituents...Urban turned more violent and savage. Suspecting his own cardinals of plotting against him, he put them to torture, and five of them died shortly thereafter, probably thrown overboard from the Pope's warship … Urban returned to Rome where he died in 1389. His fourteen cardinals immediately elected a successor..Boniface ix...
This rupture of the church's unity was a terrible trial for believing Catholics."
all three successors to the three Pope system were deposed."hopes were stirred when the Avignon Pope, clement vii, died in 1394 and each of the candidates to succeed him swore an oath that if elected he would resign his office. But the one elected Benedict XIII...soon showed that he had no intention of honoring his pre-election oath"
at this point war breaks out between France and the French Pope!! "they even laid siege to his palace, but all in vain...France totally capitulated and returned to his (the French Pope benedict) obedience"...
Hopes were once again renewed in 1406 with the election of a new Roman Pope, Gregory XIi who had sworn to resign if "his rival at Avignon would do the same...so finally realistic negotiations seemed about to begin; both Popes agreed to meet to discuss their joint resignations. But then the insincerity of both men surfaced".
At this point a concilar solution was sought whereby a council would meet without approval of either Pope to solve the problem. March 25 1409 ".
.after a brief pause, the Popes were then declared contumacious and schismatical, notorious heretics, guilty of scandalizing the universal church and therefore deposed. The townspeople reacted with wild joy... A new Pope was elected Alexander v.
The miracle was premature. By their haste in electing a Pope the cardinals only aggravated the sickness.. The new Pope Alexandar V, did not even manage to reach his see of Rome before dying at bologna may 3 1410. His successor took the name John XXIII."
eventually Sigismund of Luxembourg was elected holy Roman emperor and called a council that pronounced itself in superiority to all Popes.
"great indeed now was the humiliation of the papacy in all three of it's clamants."
At this time they also burned John Huss at the stake!! (err - I mean "exterminated" him) What a fitting crime.
On November 11, 1417 the used a new system - the cardinals were joined by six delegates of each RC nation - thirty in all - . That group then selected the next Pope - a complete break from all three papal lines !!!!
In Christ,
Bob