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Forty-one states have refused Kobach's request for voter information

Salty

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...I thought conservatives were against the government messing into our lives. Some folks have preached that a lot here on this BB. This commission is a major intrusion into our lives. ...

The purpose of govt is protect us from others - and it there is fruad is involved - then the Feds have a responsibility to protect my vote.
 

TCassidy

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The purpose of govt is protect us from others - and it there is fruad is involved - then the Feds have a responsibility to protect my vote.
Does that mean city police, Constables Departments, Sheriff's Departments, and State Police/Highway Patrol Departments should all be Federalized?

And why should the Federal Government have control over the State's elections?
 

Salty

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Does that mean city police, Constables Departments, Sheriff's Departments, and State Police/Highway Patrol Departments should all be Federalized?
NO! Each level of goverment has responsibilities
 

InTheLight

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Only federal elections - congressmen, Senators, President.

The authority to regulate the elections of these individuals are delegated to the states.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators.--US Constitution Article 1, sec. 4.1

Now either you are a strict constitutionalist or you're not. Looks like you are not.
 

Salty

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The authority to regulate the elections of these individuals are delegated to the states.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators.--US Constitution Article 1, sec. 4.1

Now either you are a strict constitutionalist or you're not. Looks like you are not.

But we are talking about possible fraud.
 

TCassidy

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Only federal elections - congressmen, Senators, President.
There is no such thing as a federal election. Congressmen are elected by their districts. Senators are elected by their states. The President/Vice-President are elected by the Electoral College at the state level.

There is not one single government office elected at the national level. ALL elections are local, county, district, or state elections.
 

TCassidy

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NO! Each level of goverment has responsibilities
But you said "then the Feds have a responsibility to protect my vote." Why? You vote at the local/state level according to local/state laws. What does the federal government have to do with it?
 

TCassidy

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But we are talking about possible fraud.
So? The fraud is committed at the local/state level. The federal government has no jurisdiction according to the US Constitution. (Except that which is stolen from the states.)
 

InTheLight

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But we are talking about possible fraud.

So?

You seem to be saying, "let's throw out the constitution and grant extra powers to the Federal government because of possible fraud."

Now simply replace the "because of possible fraud" with any other phrase, like: "because of terrorism". Or, "because of illegal immigration" or "because of too many gun crimes", or "because of gay marriage" or ....

I remember in the photo ID voting threads saying the Constitution grants US citizens the right to vote and you argued against me citing the states administered the procedures to vote. What happened to this argument of yours? Is it inconvenient in this instance?
 
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