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Founding Fathers
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Reformed1689
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Hard to say. I think the terms have probably changed.
Harvard and Yale both were mandated to have their primary educational goals as being training up ministers of the gospel of Christ!
They would be shocked at how low we have now sunk in our morality and values!
For their time, they were radically liberal. They rejected "conservative" monarchies and tried an unproven experiment in liberty, founding a secular government based on common commitment to ideas, rule of law, and founding principles, not ethnicity, language, or religion. Democracy is still considered a liberal idea.
I think they would be upset by the way we have casually elected people into office who have poor personal character, since poor ethics in personal matters always translates into lack of ethics in public matters.
I think they would be that surprised by our technology, but not by our culture's sins. There's nothing new under the sun in terms of human depravity.
Agreed, just look who was elected in!
Quite an improvement from the previous President, of whom many of you said, "we are electing a President, not a pastor."
In many ways, we need to have at least the same ethical/character standards for politicians as we do for church leadership. Both pastors and politicians have influence over people in ways that have eternal consequences. There are lots of funerals being held today because of the lack of character/ethics/sanity of the 45th President.
What you are calling the founding fathers, they would have been perceived as liberal as they were rejecting English government. A conservative would have accepted English government.
The terms mean the same thing. But you have to address the historical setting.
In other words, because the government changes, the identification of rebel and patriot changes.
Trump voters were patriots. Now they are enemies of the state. The South used to be solid Democrat. Now it is Republican.
What matters, what defines, is what satan is doing in a political movement.
Quantrill
Oh Golly. Harris/Biden are bringing 'ethical and character standards'? Wonder what they are.
Who is 'we'? Ethical and character standards? Of course MLK was a shining example....wasn't he?
Tell me who you vote for on the basis of their 'ethical and character standards'.
Quantrill
Who has claimed that Trump voters are "enemies of the state?" Please be specific.
I've always had to vote for the least objectionable candidate, based on their ethical and character standards. That's why I voted for Bush over Clinton (1992), Dole over Clinton (1996), Bush over Gore (2000), McCain over Obama (2008), Obama over Clinton (Texas Democratic Primary in 2015), Clinton over Trump (2016), and Biden over Trump (2020). It's also why I have voted for Ted Cruz's opponent at every opportunity.
Patriotic US citizens
I didn't vote for MLK as pastor, and I don't think MLK ran for office. I would oppose both, based on what is publicly known about him now.
They were right wing liberals.
Isnt that an oxymoron?
No. In modern times, liberal and Leftist have incorrectly been considered the same. Liberalism and leftism are vastly different. Liberalism is much the same as libertarianism. The founders were definitely liberal, they fought a war of revolution.
Their moral values were right leaning.
pelosi called them-- us-- "domestic enemies."
So you are President Trump or a Representative or Senator in Congress?
If you are not any of those people, she is not talking about you. And she said nothing about Trump voters.
And shame on the Republicans for enabling that to happen," she said.
That's not limited to members of congress. It covers trump voters.
You answered your question in post #(17). When you label Republicans as enemies of the state, then those who vote for those are equally viewed the same.
Surely as a Christian you wouldn't vote for a Democrat. As a Baptist you might. As a Christian, no. Your so called 'ethics' trump your faith. Or, maybe not.
Quantrill
I am a patriotic U.S. citizen and I don't see how a Christian can vote for a Democrat period. The party is anti-Christian.
What is publicly known about him doesn't stop America from worshiping MLK. Sing the praises of MLK and tear down statues of Washington and Jefferson. Were any statues of MLK torn down? Silly question I know.
Quantrill