Four More Years of Obama or Eternal Life for an Unsaved Person?

[Zaac]

Bro. Curtis got me to thinking about this and thus the question:

If you could with full assurance know that one unsaved person would come to faith in Christ because he was not confused by evangelicals saying they love Jesus but support a candidate who doesn't and have Obama for another four years, or unseat Obama, which would you choose?

 

[Zaac]

Bro. Curtis got me to thinking about this and thus the question:

If you could with full assurance know that one unsaved person would come to faith in Christ because he was not confused by evangelicals saying they love Jesus by supporting a candidate who doesn't and have Obama for another four years, or unseat Obama, and that person not come to faith in Christ, which would you choose?

That needed rewording at the end for clarification.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[targus]

Silly hypothetical since you can not know.

 

[Zaac]

Silly hypothetical since you can not know.

It's a hypothetical. You can hypothetically know just like you can hypothetically know anything else.

 

[Don]

If an individual gets saved based on who I voted for, I'd have to seriously wonder what it is he/she thnks salvation is really about.

 

[Zaac]

If an individual gets saved based on who I voted for, I'd have to seriously wonder what it is he/she thnks salvation is really about.

Nice, but as usual you're trying to confuse the issue. No one said anything about an individual getting saved because of who you voted for.

This is essentially about the ability to witness and a person getting saved by them receiving the Gospel that they allowed you to preach because they didn't refuse to listen because they thought you were being a hypocrite.

So,

(a) if not supporting the false god worshiper allows a Christian the platform to non-hypocritically speak to a lost person about needing a Savior and he in turn gets saved and Obama gets re-elected, or

(b) supporting the false god-worshiper turns them off from receiving a message from you about the need for a Savior and they don't get saved and Obama is defeated,

Which one is chosen?

 

[Scarlett O.]

I with Don here .... if a person is looking at my voting record to decide the fate of his or her eternal soul, then something is wrong with their mental acquity.

Besides, the question is moot.

Both Romney AND Obama are false-god worshippers. So by your assertion, the hypothetical lost person looking a me to see whom I vote for will remain lost either way.

 

[InTheLight]

I with Don here .... if a person is looking at my voting record to decide the fate of his or her eternal soul, then something is wrong with their mental acquity.

Besides, the question is moot.

Both Romney AND Obama are false-god worshippers. So by your assertion, the hypothetical lost person looking a me to see whom I vote for will remain lost either way.

As usual, Scarlett O. brings clarity to the argument. Thanks.

This whole idea that if I vote for someone it will affect my ability to witness is merely a canard cooked up by Zaac.

 

[targus]

This is essentially about the ability to witness and a person getting saved by them receiving the Gospel that they allowed you to preach because they didn't refuse to listen because they thought you were being a hypocrite.

So,

(a) if not supporting the false god worshiper allows a Christian the platform to non-hypocritically speak to a lost person about needing a Savior and he in turn gets saved and Obama gets re-elected, or

(b) supporting the false god-worshiper turns them off from receiving a message from you about the need for a Savior and they don't get saved and Obama is defeated,

Which one is chosen?

First of all - Mormons consider themselves to be Christians. I seriously doubt that a non-Christian would think a Christian to be a hypocrite for voting for Romney as a non-Christian would have no idea if a Mormon is a Christian or not and would probably even think that Romney is a Christian.

Now if Romney were to be a Wican you may have a point. :laugh:

How long are you going to beat this one note drum song of yours?

BTW - I am also wondering why you still refuse to give an example of someone who you feel meets your qualifications as a satisfactory candidate for a Christian to vote for President?

What are you hiding?

 

[billwald]

Hypothetically, the question arises because Dispensationalists do not trust God to do what is right. If the person is elect, in the long run he will be in Heaven.

 

[Scarlett O.]

First of all - Mormons consider themselves to be Christians. I seriously doubt that a non-Christian would think a Christian to be a hypocrite for voting for Romney as a non-Christian would have no idea if a Mormon is a Christian or not and would probably even think that Romney is a Christian.

Exactly .... I was gonna say that, but forgot. To people who aren't affliated with Christianity, the lines are blurred between all who claim to be saved and those who make claim and aren't.

Lots of lost people actually believe Fred Phelps to be a Christian merely because he says he is.

 

[Zaac]

I with Don here .... if a person is looking at my voting record to decide the fate of his or her eternal soul, then something is wrong with their mental acquity.

Besides, the question is moot.

Both Romney AND Obama are false-god worshippers. So by your assertion, the hypothetical lost person looking a me to see whom I vote for will remain lost either way.

And you're doing the same thing as Don because that's not what was said. Nobody said that they were making a decision about their salvation based upon your voting record.

You support Romney who worships a false god. The lost person knows it and refuses to listen to you about the need for a Savior because you support a man who worships a false god. That causes him to not receive a witness from you, but Obama is defeated.

Or you don't support Romney who worships a false god and that same person allows you to tell them about Jesus Christ who saves and gets saved, but Obama is re-elected.

Which one?

 

[Zaac]

I with Don here .... if a person is looking at my voting record to decide the fate of his or her eternal soul, then something is wrong with their mental acquity.

Besides, the question is moot.

Both Romney AND Obama are false-god worshippers. So by your assertion, the hypothetical lost person looking a me to see whom I vote for will remain lost either way.

If the hypothetical person refuses to receive a witness from Christ from you because he knows that you and other evangelicals support that which does not support Christ, then he probably will remain condemned until someone he doesn't feel is a hypocrite tells Him about Jesus.

 

[Zaac]

First of all - Mormons consider themselves to be Christians. I seriously doubt that a non-Christian would think a Christian to be a hypocrite for voting for Romney as a non-Christian would have no idea if a Mormon is a Christian or not and would probably even think that Romney is a Christian.

Just because you seriously doubt it doesn't mean it to be.

Now if Romney were to be a Wican you may have a point. :laugh:

How long are you going to beat this one note drum song of yours?

Just as long as y'all keep making Romney and Obama topics and attempting to justify one and his platform as more moral than the other.:thumbs:

BTW - I am also wondering why you still refuse to give an example of someone who you feel meets your qualifications as a satisfactory candidate for a Christian to vote for President?

What are you hiding?

And about now I'm wondering if you really read the threads?

So what are y'all hiding. None of you seem to want to directly answer the question. Could it be because it continues to highlight how, whether or not some of you want to admit it, that your politics and need to defeat Barack Obama, considerably outweigh your need to witness Christ and see folks come to Christ?

But then again, as I've seen in the past, the majority of you don't need a platform cause you ain't sharing anything.

 

[InTheLight]

Hypothetically, the question arises because Dispensationalists do not trust God to do what is right. If the person is elect, in the long run he will be in Heaven.

Another attempt at derailing--typical.

 

[Scarlett O.]

If the hypothetical person refuses to receive a witness from Christ from you because he knows that you and other evangelicals support that which does not support Christ, then he probably will remain condemned until someone he doesn't feel is a hypocrite tells Him about Jesus.

So .... one more time, by YOUR assertion in YOUR OP, it won't matter if a Christian votes for Romney or Obama - the lost person will be condemned to hell by either vote.

"If you could with full assurance know that one unsaved person would come to faith in Christ because he was not confused by evangelicals saying they love Jesus by supporting a candidate who doesn't ....."

 

[targus]

And about now I'm wondering if you really read the threads?

So what are y'all hiding. None of you seem to want to directly answer the question.

What question is it that you think that no one has answered?

Restate it and I will answer it directly (again) with the provision that you directly answer my repeated question of you.

Deal?

 

[plain_n_simple]

Bro. Curtis got me to thinking about this and thus the question:

If you could with full assurance know that one unsaved person would come to faith in Christ because he was not confused by evangelicals saying they love Jesus but support a candidate who doesn't and have Obama for another four years, or unseat Obama, which would you choose?

Perceived good politics or someones salvation? A strange way to put it but I get your point. Kinda funny how misguided religion tries to fix the country by using "christian" candidates, instead of preaching the gospel like we are told.

 

[targus]

Perceived good politics or someones salvation? A strange way to put it but I get your point. Kinda funny how misguided religion tries to fix the country by using "christian" candidates, instead of preaching the gospel like we are told.

Wanting a good government and preaching the gospel are not mutually exclusive.

I walk walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Scarlett O.]

So what are y'all hiding. None of you seem to want to directly answer the question. Could it be because it continues to highlight how, whether or not some of you want to admit it, that your politics and need to defeat Barack Obama, considerably outweigh your need to witness Christ and see folks come to Christ?

I'm not sure just how much more directly your question CAN be answered than it already has. Just because no one answered it the way that you wanted them to doesn't mean that a reasonable answer wasn't given.


I've struggled immensely with voting for Romney. I am reluctantly going to vote for him. Why? Because I think he is more moral than Obama? What color is the sky on your planet, brother? There's not a moral one them in the bunch. I am reluctantly voting for Romney because it's my personal opinion that our present man in office is the worst that I have seen in my lifetime and has done more damage in more areas of American life that one can believe.


It's time to turn the baton over to someone else.

As for you insinuating that Christians here care more about unseating Obama than seeing lost people come to Christ and that a vote for Romney is an automatic ticket to hell for the lost people in our lives ...

...well, one hardly knows how to respond to such obtuseness.

But, I'll try. The connection you are vainly trying to make cannot logically be made and is insulting and intellectually dishonest. You're assertion that "we" are somehow not as concerned for the lost as you - as in your OP statement that your opening statement "made you stop and think" is political pretense. Your OP isn't about a burden for lost people. It's a typical Baptist Board political verbal Quixotic manuever.

And both sides here attack those proverbial windmills with all sorts of feigned self-righteousness. You aren't alone in this. :flower: