Fox Debate: Trump against the "World?!"

[Zaac]

Why do you want to deport (until the Constitution is changed) American citizens?

Because it's not his family. Unless it touches home, a lot of Christians can't seem to empathize with the situation of others.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

They're not my family either. And I'm not being all that empathetic. I do however take issue with unconstitutional positions. The current president isn't the only one who can take them.

Because it's not his family. Unless it touches home, a lot of Christians can't seem to empathize with the situation of others.

 

[Zaac]

They're not my family either. And I'm not being all that empathetic.

Perhaps therein lies the issue with a lot of Christians. Of late, the a lot of what I read on this board and hear from so many folks who call themselves evangelicals is a very ugly lack of empathy that goes against how Christ demonstrated we should be responding.

I do however take issue with unconstitutional positions. The current president isn't the only one who can take them.

Do you also take issue with the unChristlike positions?

The Good Samaritan demonstrated how God expects His people to respond. Yet so much of what I've heard from folks who are calling themselves Christians, mirrors what Jedi posted.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I would think you rather I take not take an emotion based position. As for the other, what's unChristlike in wanting our nation's laws enforced? The problem is a matter of practicality. To have the level of enforcement many here desire and demand, it would take a police state. I for one take a very dim view of

• the idea of internal passports.
• enforcement officers demanding your "papers"
• requiring the "proper" residency stamps.

Like many on the Board, you are uncomfortable with allies who do not precisely share your presuppositions. It reminds me of the situation back in WW2 with Eisenhower and De Gaulle.

They're not my family either. And I'm not being all that empathetic.

Perhaps therein lies the issue with a lot of Christians. Of late, the a lot of what I read on this board and hear from so many folks who call themselves evangelicals is a very ugly lack of empathy that goes against how Christ demonstrated we should be responding.

I do however take issue with unconstitutional positions. The current president isn't the only one who can take them.

Do you also take issue with the unChristlike positions?

The Good Samaritan demonstrated how God expects His people to respond. Yet so much of what I've heard from folks who are calling themselves Christians, mirrors what Jedi posted.

 

[Salty]

Why do you want to deport (until the Constitution is changed) American citizens?

That's assuming the children are American Citizens.
But even if the kids are - they should not be the reason -for the parents to stay in the USA.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

If they are not citizens, they are just as liable as their parents for deportation. If they are, then come up with a plan to deal with them when you deport the parents. What I'm trying to do is to cause folks to think matters through and not just in slogans.

That's assuming the children are American Citizens.
But even if the kids are - they should not be the reason -for the parents to stay in the USA.

 

[Zaac]

I would think you rather I take not take an emotion based position.

Why would I rather you not take an emotion based decision? There's nothing wrong with emotions if they align with Christ. Is your loving others not an emotion based in Christ?

Why on earth would being able to empathize with someone's situation be viewed as something someone wouldn't want you to do? Is that not what the Good Samaritan did? Is that not what Christ did on the Cross?

As for the other, what's unChristlike in wanting our nation's laws enforced?

What's unChristlike about it is that as a follower of Christ, obedience to man's laws should not supersede the command of Christ for you to love your neighbors and to do unto others as you would have done unto you. It's as though when it comes to certain hot button political issues, we forget that we are to be allegianced to Christ and His way FIRST, not our politics.

The problem is a matter of practicality. To have the level of enforcement many here desire and demand, it would take a police state.

Why is the problem one of practicality for the followers of Christ? He doesn't say treat you neighbors a certain way when it's practical. HE doesn't say to treat the alien in your land a certain way when it's practical. He didn't demonstrate that we are only to help the beaten man in the road when it's practical.

I for one take a very dim view of

• the idea of internal passports.
• enforcement officers demanding your "papers"
• requiring the "proper" residency stamps.

Like many on the Board, you are uncomfortable with allies who do not precisely share your presuppositions.

Other than standing in God's pulpit and preaching, there's not too much that makes me uncomfortable. I simply believe that as followers of Christ, we should demonstrate the love of Christ FIRST. If it's not done to the glory of Christ and for HIS purpose, we are tooting our own horns.

And if we LOVE our neighbor as Christ says we should, why is it so difficult to empathize with their situation?