Fox News attacks on Christianity

[Mark Osgatharp]

"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."

So said the apostle John. We should not be alarmed that the world hates real Christianity - that is only to be expected.

What should alarm us is the fact that Baptist people have for decades sent their children to and funded with their money colleges and universities which have fostered and propogated the false and inclusive "Christianity" which the world loves but is destructive of true faith.

As long as this sordid practice continues, impelled by love of money, the downward spiral into Sodom will continue.

Mark Osgatharp

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by exscentric:
"It is called freedom of speech...one of those freedoms guaranteed by our democracy."

For ALL, not just us, Fox has it as well

Of course they do. I am curious how you think your comments are relevant to this discussion at all.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Brother James:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Has anyone seen the Fox News Specials the past few days on Religion? This is the second interview in two days I have seen where Fox News has attacked Christianity. Among the attacks are:

1. This first one is the major attack: Those who believe in an exclusive view of Christianity (There is only one God and there is no other way to God except through Jesus) are fundamentalists extremists who don't speak for Christianity, and are as bad as Islamic extremists. I just heard the latest installment of this attack about 5 minutes ago with Major Garretts interview with some guy named Feiller. They talked about this idea as if it is a common view in Christianity, and that the belief in Christ alone is in fact, commonly recognized as the most dangerous idea of Christianity.

2. The Second one is the idea that homosexuality is ok.

3. The idea that religious pluralism and ecumenicalism (all roads lead to God universalism) is taught in the Bible.

It is inevitable that every year, the major news networks try to redefine Christianity for us using their so called experts. I, for one, am sick of it. I wish they would stick with what they are good at: reporting the news and doing political commentary, and close their mouths about religion.

What say you?

Joseph Botwinick

These are brother the views of the current administration in Washington and Fox News is one of thier official propaganda organs. </font>[/QUOTE]You are correct about this being the Religious beliefs of the current administration, except I have never seen Bush try to demonize those of us who disagree with him. I think you are incorrect about Fox News being an official propaganda organ. I have seen them disagree and challenge Bush too many times to give that idea any credence.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by shannonL:
According to Ken H. your not much better than Fox News that reported the story because your continuing to bring it up. I don't know how he equates that but anyway.

A poor effort on that by me. I should not have tried to make that point.

 

[Robert J Hutton]

We must expect more attacks to take place; it is only a matter of time before a preacher in the UK is locked up for teaching that Gays are perverts and sodomy is an abomination. I am currently reading through Jeremiah and there is a clear parallel between his time and ours. Jeremiah was persecuted, so will we be.

Kind regards to all.

Bob

 

[gb93433]

Isn't O'Reilly on Fox? Isn't he a Catholic?

 

[JohnB]

Why would anyone be surprised by Fox "News" actions and positions?

I am amazed that so many Christians bacame devotees of Fox News because of it's conservative stance, yet ignored the fact that Fox non-news programming is universally recognized as the vilest and filthiest of all the networks.

This Christmas, ABC did the whole "How to get to heaven" ecumenical thing. NBC (or CBS, I can't remember) did the whole Mystery of Christmas show with the usual Christ deniers.

They do it every year! Why would Fox be different? If you have ever believed that Fox has ever been, in any way, remotely "Christian" then you have been had. And it's your fault.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by JohnB:
Why would anyone be surprised by Fox "News" actions and positions?

It seems that not many read their Bible and expect the world to be better than the church. The church has pastors who lie, cheat and steal. It has members who lie, cheat and steal and have been in jail. The prisons are loaded with Christians who ended up in jail because of wrongdoing. Why should anything surprise us when compared to scripture? Just read Rev. 2 and 3. Read about the issues Paul dealt with.

 

[I'm4Given]

What say you?

Joseph Botwinick

I was disappointed with the specials. I still prefer Fox News over all other news reporting agencies.

 

[Marcia]

Just because a person or network take a conservative stance, it does not mean they favor or respect Christianity. It seems that this is where a lot of Christians are confused.

The former president of the astrological society I was once president of was a staunch conservative Republican who was also a big fan of Reagan. At the time, I also knew a well-known published numerologist who was a staunch Republican. She was a fan of Reagan as well. Several of my astrological clients were conservatives (and some were church members). Of course, many in astrology and the New Age were not politically conservative, but it certainly was not rare nor unheard of.

So I am always perplexed at how Christians assume conservatives will be pro-Christianity.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by gb93433:
Isn't O'Reilly on Fox? Isn't he a Catholic?

O'Reilly is on Fox, and yes he is Catholic, as is Sean Hannity. Of course, Alan Colmes is also on Fox, and he is, I believe Reform Jew. There are many diverse people on Fox with a wide diversity of faiths and political views. Fox is neither conservative, liberal, nor Christian. This is part of the reason that I have always thought they were fair and balanced. They are a secular organization which has reported the news. I guess I expected to see the whole ecumenical message being put forth. That didn't bother me, believe it or not, as much as their demonization of those who disagree with the all roads lead to God message.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by JohnB:
Why would anyone be surprised by Fox "News" actions and positions?

I am amazed that so many Christians bacame devotees of Fox News because of it's conservative stance, yet ignored the fact that Fox non-news programming is universally recognized as the vilest and filthiest of all the networks.

This Christmas, ABC did the whole "How to get to heaven" ecumenical thing. NBC (or CBS, I can't remember) did the whole Mystery of Christmas show with the usual Christ deniers.

They do it every year! Why would Fox be different? If you have ever believed that Fox has ever been, in any way, remotely "Christian" then you have been had. And it's your fault.

I am not one of those Christians who ever thought Fox News has ever been, in any way, remotely "Christian", just as I never thought that McDonalds was a Christian organization. They are a secular news organization which prides itself on being fair and balanced by giving everyone a fair hearing in the arena of ideas. They missed the mark with this one and became an agent to attack Christians.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by I'm4Given:
What say you?

Joseph Botwinick

I was disappointed with the specials. I still prefer Fox News over all other news reporting agencies.

When it comes to television network and cable news, I agree. I only wish that they would stick to reporting the news, and leave faith to those who actually have a clue what they are talking about. The liberal theology and ideas that were spouted this past weekend on Fox were demonic and hateful.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
That didn't bother me, believe it or not, as much as their demonization of those who disagree with the all roads lead to God message.

Joseph Botwinick

Does it really surprise you that a secular organization would not take this tact, especially in today's world?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just making the point that it is the natural course of the Bible for Christians to become more and more persecuted by the world.

It will NOT get better, only worse.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Marcia:
Just because a person or network take a conservative stance, it does not mean they favor or respect Christianity. It seems that this is where a lot of Christians are confused.

The former president of the astrological society I was once president of was a staunch conservative Republican who was also a big fan of Reagan. At the time, I also knew a well-known published numerologist who was a staunch Republican. She was a fan of Reagan as well. Several of my astrological clients were conservatives (and some were church members). Of course, many in astrology and the New Age were not politically conservative, but it certainly was not rare nor unheard of.

So I am always perplexed at how Christians assume conservatives will be pro-Christianity.

I am not one of those Christians. I did not, however, expect to see such a demonic and hateful attack upon Christians as what I saw.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[ronthedisciple]

[/QUOTE]Seriously, do you people think that just ignoring a problem like this is going to solve it? If all you want is to live in a Pollyannaish dream, then fine, but to expect any solution is real daydreaming!

Ignoring the paths of the mainstream media/politics by the Christians of this nation is what has gotten us into the moral decline we now experience. [/QB][/QUOTE]

First, if you review the whole of my message, you would have your question already answered. It is true that simply ignoring a problem does not solve it, but then that depends on what exactly is the problem. Perhaps my simply paying attention to something is the problem, in which case ignoring that subject is a solution. In the case of what is reported in the media, the solution is not complaining to people who have no authority over the media. If someone would like FOX or any other media group to modify what they report, then solution must be attempted with that group. However, the problem might not be what it is reported, but the manner in which one chooses to react to the report. In that case, ignoring the report might be part of the solution. The Bible tells us to not sin in our anger. It also tells us that the best way to not sin in our anger is to not get angry. Sometimes, that means not allowing ourselves to be exposed to the things that provoke us to anger, at least until such time we learn how to deal with that anger without sin.

It is my firm beliefe that the cause of moral decline in this country is no different than anywhere else. It is not ignoring the media or politics, but it is in ignoring the will of God in our individual lives. We are too quick to call "bad" that which God manifests the most good in, and vice versa. Perhaps we spend too much time debating instead of praying.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by ronthedisciple:

Seriously, do you people think that just ignoring a problem like this is going to solve it? If all you want is to live in a Pollyannaish dream, then fine, but to expect any solution is real daydreaming!

Ignoring the paths of the mainstream media/politics by the Christians of this nation is what has gotten us into the moral decline we now experience. [/QUOTE]

First, if you review the whole of my message, you would have your question already answered. It is true that simply ignoring a problem does not solve it, but then that depends on what exactly is the problem. Perhaps my simply paying attention to something is the problem, in which case ignoring that subject is a solution. In the case of what is reported in the media, the solution is not complaining to people who have no authority over the media. If someone would like FOX or any other media group to modify what they report, then solution must be attempted with that group. However, the problem might not be what it is reported, but the manner in which one chooses to react to the report. In that case, ignoring the report might be part of the solution. The Bible tells us to not sin in our anger. It also tells us that the best way to not sin in our anger is to not get angry. Sometimes, that means not allowing ourselves to be exposed to the things that provoke us to anger, at least until such time we learn how to deal with that anger without sin.[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to Ephesians 4:26?

Because if you are, you should know that the verse does not say what you are saying it does. It does not say that the best way to not sin is to not get angry. It does not say to avoid things within the world which might make you angry. It does say not to allow Satan a foothold in your life by allowing your anger to consume you.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[ronthedisciple]

Mr. Botwinick, I was referring to that verse, yes, in part. You should know something about the way I share my opinions. My opinions are almost never based on a single verse. My opinion about anger comes from Ephesians, from Proverbs, from the Gospels, from Galatians and Philippians - just to name some that come to mind. I admit I am not gifted with a good memory of what verse is in what chapter or verse, but I am provided with the capacity to remember God's word in a context that takes into account many verses, passages, stories and messages in the Bible. I agree with you that that one verse does not say all I suggested, but I think that all I suggested is said in the Bible.

 

[exscentric]

quote:Originally posted by exscentric:
"It is called freedom of speech...one of those freedoms guaranteed by our democracy."

For ALL, not just us, Fox has it as well [Laugh]

"Of course they do. I am curious how you think your comments are relevant to this discussion at all."

If you don't know, please feel to remain curious.