France: Iran Nuke Program a Military Cover

He didn't say we are going to nuke Iran. And I only said it only in jest for all the drooling coincidence theorists to agree with, you know the type, you've probably met a few where you work Joseph, they'll all say let's nuke this country or that country yet when asked to find Iran or Iraq on the map they haven't got a clue as to it's location.

Yeah I guess Edward Bernays was a kook too when he came up with the idea of engineering the consent of the masses for profit and political gains.

And the Pentagon people are kooks for starting the P20G program. Basically the idea is that if you can't find a terrorist to fight keep poking people in the eye with a sharp stick till they become terrorists. Now that is kookie! But it seems to be working as planned. P2OG Program.

And it's kookie to believe that all those brand new Danish flags were just sitting around waiting to be burned in every little backwoods Muslim town and village that just happened to have the cameras and sat feeds to beam the scenes of chaos and uprisings to the world.

It's called problem reaction solution.

Ya got a problem, the European countries are saying they want to pull their troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and they don't like the proposed police state powers then poof with almost perfect timing out comes some cartoons. Causing riots and mayhem in Europe. See we told ya those muslims are crazy. Europeans can see the light, all muslims are evil and we need more police state powers to keep us safe. Problem solved.

Ya got a problem Australians don't want to send troops and they don't like the proposed police state powers then poof with almost perfect timing Bali blows up, Australia sends troops. And passes police state powers. Problem solved.


Ya got a problem Spain wants to pull it's troops and they don't like the proposed police state powers then poof with almost perfect timing a train station blows up. Spain changes it's mind. Keeps it's troops in the coalition and passes police state powers. Problem solved.

Ya got a problem Britons they want their troops pulled and don't like the proposed police state powers then with almost perfect timing poof the subway blows up and who is the mastermind? Someone that was under MI5 protection. The troops stay put and the police state legislation is passed. Problem solved.

That's just a few of the unlikely coincidences that you coincidence theorists have swallowed hook line and sinker.

Kookie huh?

 

That was a really silly argument on your part. I don't think even you really believe any of those nations you just listed are as big a threat as Iran is. So, Ken, what evidence are you hoping for from a nation that has stopped all weapons inspections? Are you waiting for it to be dropped on the United States? How about Israel? Oh...that's right...that is Israel's problem...not ours. In true non-interventionist fashion...you are probably willing to let them be blown off the map to keep us from standing up for a democratic ally.

Joseph Botwinick

 

By calling me a non-interventionist you are displaying your ignorance in the area of foreign policy.

 

Yes. Most of the stuff you come up with is rather nutty. Just some observations:

Most of the ideas you present here are usually quoting people who are:

1. Conspiracy theorist
2. Anti-Semites
3. Anti-American
4. Mentally Insane

Now, I am not saying that you are all these things...but your ideas sure do have trouble with credibility when you constantly quote people who have these qualities to support them.

Joseph Botwinick

 

By calling me a non-interventionist you are displaying your ignorance in the area of foreign policy. </font>[/QUOTE]So, you are an interventionist? You must be one of those evil neo-cons then.

Joseph Botwinick

 

According the quiz I linked in the "Politics" forum I am a foreign policy realist.

 

non-interventionist...realist...really the same thing. Whatever fancy title you want to give yourself to make it sound better, the bottom line is that you are isolationist in your foreign policy.

Joseph Botwinick

 

You are really speaking ignorantly, Joseph. You probably don't like it but merely disagreeing with you on a foreign policy issue does not make one an isolationist.

 

And what exactly do you disagree with me about my neo-con foreign policy? Wait for it...here it comes...the realist, non-interventionist, isolationist foreign policy...let's hear it Ken. Please tell us why you think we should not have got involved in Iraq? And why we should forget about the threats being made against Israel by Iran? Why is it that you think we should stay out of it?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Didn't say we should stay out of it. Every situation doesn't require the use of U.S. military force.

 

Do you want to stop Iran from getting Nuclear weapons, do you want proof, or do you not want to do anything at all, Ken? Which is it?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Without the proof I asked for we should leave Iran alone as long as it abides by the non-proliferation treaty that it signed.

 

As they have been doing Ken. I say keep watching them closely have regular inspections and stop listening to those that have constantly used fear as a tool to manufacture consent to wage war.

 

They have already broken the treaty by breaking the seals and kicking out the inspectors.

How much more proof do you want? Are you waiting for this:




Joseph Botwinick

 

Iran Reaffirms Committment to NPT, IAEA LINK

 

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My deepest concern with a possible military action against Iran is that we've already spread ourselves dangerously thin against Iraq. I see what Ken is trying to say in that we should exhaust every possible option before invading them, but my fear is that the only immutable proof we will have will be when their psychotic "President" actually uses their WMD's on Israel. I believe that we were right to invade Iraq, but I just don't know what we're to do concerning Iran, because we're sure not going to get much support from other countries.

 

Hi there AggieBoy61.

When you say that we have spread ourselves thin in Iraq, what do you base that on?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Even if Iran wants to develop a nuclear weapon it is years away from doing so, even if it is successful.

Unless the Iranian president wants to see his country wiped off the map he would not dare to use a nuclear weapon against Israel. By the time Iran ever develops a nuclear weapon(if they do) I doubt that the present hardline president of Iran would still be in office that many years down the road.