Frederick K.C. Price

[RockRambler]

I heard Dr Price one day talking on the same topic. Watching it on TV, I was getting the impression, especially as it related to the rest of the sermon, that he was telling the congregation to quit complaining about every little physical problem they imagined they had.

Maybe its a case of the printed transcript not showing the entire message.

I will say this...I wish many ministers were as well-prepared with their sermons as he is. I often think sometimes that God calls ministers to preach, but the seminary takes it out of them!!!

 

[Brian30755]

That's OK, though, because the question was what I thought of Fred Price, not to demonstrate anything to you.

I know you don't have to demonstrate anything to me, but you said False teacher and despicable human being for his attacks on Joni Erickson Tada for being crippled. which sounded to me like you were saying that he verbally attacked Joni Erickson Tada.

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Brian30755:
I know you don't have to demonstrate anything to me, but you said False teacher and despicable human being for his attacks on Joni Erickson Tada for being crippled. which sounded to me like you were saying that he verbally attacked Joni Erickson Tada.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Condemning a girl for being crippled makes him a despicable individual.

 

[Brian30755]

Did you read those words? I mean REALLY read those words.

"What makes you think the Holy Ghost wants to live inside a body where He can't see out through the windows and He can't hear with the ears? What makes you think the Holy Spirit wants to live inside of a physical body where the limbs and the organs and the cells do not function right?"

First, let me say that my son has cerebral palsy, so I can certainly understand you being taken aback by this.

But I tend to agree with Thankful and RockRambler that quite possibly this quote is taken out of context. That being said, this was probably not a good thing to say no matter what the context.

But, consider Luke 14:26, where Jesus said: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Are you a disciple of Jesus? Do you HATE your father and mother? Do you HATE your spouse and children? Do you think Jesus REALLY MEANT you have to HATE your family if you are going to follow Him? Of course not. He was using something "outrageous" (for lack of a better word) to make a point.

Quite possibly, Frederick Price was using an "outrageous" example to make his point. I don't know. I didn't hear the whole sermon.

I do agree that it wasn't a good choice of words, no matter what he was trying to prove.

 

[Brian30755]

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Originally posted by Brian30755:
I know you don't have to demonstrate anything to me, but you said False teacher and despicable human being for his attacks on Joni Erickson Tada for being crippled. which sounded to me like you were saying that he verbally attacked Joni Erickson Tada.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Condemning a girl for being crippled makes him a despicable individual.

I still don't understand why you felt the need to insert Joni Erickson Tada's name there? Why didn't you insert the name of any of the millions of other people who have a physical handicap? Actually, I don't understand why you needed to insert anybody's name there. Why didn't you just quote what he actually said?

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Brian30755:
I still don't understand why you felt the need to insert Joni Erickson Tada's name there? Why didn't you insert the name of any of the millions of other people who have a physical handicap? Actually, I don't understand why you needed to insert anybody's name there. Why didn't you just quote what he actually said?

It would be terrible to say this about anybody, but in this case, he was speaking specifically of Joni Erickson Tada.

 

[Brian30755]

It would be terrible to say this about anybody, but in this case, he was speaking specifically of Joni Erickson Tada.

I've searched and searched and searched on the internet. I find several different websites talking about how wrong Frederick Price was to say this. And on several of these sites, the commentator (not Frederick Price) says something like "what about Christians like Joni Erickson Tada".

Unless you can prove otherwise, I just don't think it's fair to say that Frederick Price was speaking specifically of her.

 

[Johnv]

Is there anyone who would like to address the points brought up about Price? If those points cannot be argued, then I may have no choice but to retract my previous statement I made about not having too much of a problem with him (with the noted exceptions). If the statements are remotely argueable or refutable, I'd really, REALLY like to know.

Anyone? Anyone?

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Brian30755:
Unless you can prove otherwise, I just don't think it's fair to say that Frederick Price was speaking specifically of her.

The question was, what do I think of Fred Price. That's what I think of Fred Price.

You're free to believe it or not. I really don't care.

 

[Jeffrey H]

Originally posted by Johnv:
....I don't see anything in his teachings that are outright violations of scriptural doctrine.

John,

Take a look at my previous post and judge for yourself. If you don't believe that's a violation of scriptural doctrine, then we "Baptists" are far more diverse than I ever realized.

--Jeff

 

[Dina]

John, I have spent most of the day looking all over the net, and have yet to find anything defending Fred Price. What I have found is MORE statements along the lines of what has already been mentioned. Seems Fred Price fits with the Word of Faith name it and claim it, blab it and grab it, speak it and be it crowd.

If you are so inclined, I can provide links to the sites that I was looking at.

 

[Brian30755]

The question was, what do I think of Fred Price. That's what I think of Fred Price.

You're free to believe it or not. I really don't care.

You have said:

False teacher and despicable human being for his attacks on Joni Erickson Tada for being crippled.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Condemning a girl for being crippled makes him a despicable individual.

and...

It would be terrible to say this about anybody, but in this case, he was speaking specifically of Joni Erickson Tada.

Now, is it really too much to ask for you to tell us WHERE you got this information from??? Do you just ASSUME he was speaking of Joni Erickson Tada, or did you actually hear him speak her name? Is there a transcript of this message somewhere where I can READ where he said her name? If you're going to accuse this man of saying something, you really should have at least ONE piece of evidence that he actually said it.

 

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Brian30755:
Now, is it really too much to ask for you to tell us WHERE you got this information from??? Do you just ASSUME he was speaking of Joni Erickson Tada, or did you actually hear him speak her name? Is there a transcript of this message somewhere where I can READ where he said her name? If you're going to accuse this man of saying something, you really should have at least ONE piece of evidence that he actually said it.

Like I said, you're free to agree or not to agree.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

To make accusations about someone without proof to back it up is wrong. You should either retract your statement or provide proof.

 

[Jeffrey H]

I don't listen to Fred Price, but this website link below references his quotes. Based on what I have read, I would avoid this guy. Good oratory skills and charisma do not make a good teacher.

There was nothing in these quotes that remotely resembles biblical doctrine. I hesitate to use the word "heretic", but I'll save that for your own judgment.

Fred Price unbiblical quotes

 

[Ed Edwards]

John V: "Is there anyone who would like to address
the points brought up about Price?"

No, I will no longer partake in this character
assassination by ellipsis

 

[Brian30755]

No, I will no longer partake in this character
assassination by ellipsis

Which is exactly all this has been.

 

[Jeffrey H]

Character Assassination is bearing false witness against someone. If the sermon quote I gave above with the reference is not accurate then show me. The original post asked if anyone knew anything about him and I gave an answer based on information that can be verified.

I'm not questioning his character, personality, or integrity; he may be a fine gentleman and wonderful father. I'm simply stating an opinion based on his doctrinal teachings that are clearly unbiblical.

 

[Jeffrey H]

What bothers me is there are "Baptists" here that actually listen to his teaching and don't think he's a problem. The acceptance of "Open Theism" is more prevelant than I realized.

 

[Johnv]

I think it's safe to say that a quote here and a quote there don't a heretic make, since those quotes typically lack context.

In my limited exposure to Price, I've never heard anything that is overtly unscriptural, especially in the context of a whole sermon. I've heard things that are just plain silly (like his claim that oral sex is a sin). But unscriptural? I have yet to hear it.

It would help greatly if the quotes people have used are put in their entire context.