Free Grace Theology

[JonShaff]

Mental 'accent'? LOL!!!! Espanol? Francois? Roflmao

Hey bro they are the ones arguing that is what faith is (FGT, Deacon, others) not me sir! And definitely not Scripture!

Fixed it for ya! I woke up late, my head is foggy.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Merry Christmas! Remember...as you have 1 finger pointing out all the hairy ticks, you've got 3 others pointing right back at you!

 

[Internet Theologian]

Fixed it for ya! I woke up late, my head is foggy.

I'll probably wake up late tomorrow, I told our 5 year old Santa doesn't want cookies, he'd rather have fried oysters and an IPA this year. Geek

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

I am thankful! I love that passage and I am thankful you didn't interpret, you just quoted! LOL! Biggrin

Merry Christmas!

You and yours as well! Remember to exercise mental accent so you can receive a reward, er, I mean a gift! Roflmao

Remember...as you have 1 finger pointing out all the hairy ticks, you've got 3 others pointing right back at you!

3 others? Well, we are not allowed to name names here so those 3 others I will have to leave in anonymity, but tell them I said 'Merry Christmas'! Laugh

 

[BrotherJoseph]

LoL @ exercise of mental assent. Now THAT is a strawman. Faith is a trust/belief/surrender of one's will....a yielding of one's will.

Edited for IT. I'm still waking up!

Brother Jon,

One of the errors of free grace theology is it fails to distinguish that one can have a spurious man generated faith as opposed to a God given faith. Simon Magus 'believed' and was baptized but his heart was "not right in the sight of God" per the Bible (see Acts 8:12-22). In other words, it was 'belief' without a changed heart and because this was Simon's condition Peter says he would perish unless he came to true repentance: he was 'in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity' (vs. 23). And the evidence that Simon Magus was indeed unsaved can be seen in his prayer. He, like all unregenerate people, was only concerned with the consequence of sin and made no request to be pardoned and cleansed from the impurity of sin. "Pray ye," he says to Peter, "to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me". (Acts 8:24) Like the so-called 'carnal Christian' he wanted Jesus as a kind of hell-insurance policy but he was not interested in deliverance from sin!

God bless and hope you have a Merry Christmas.

 

[DHK]

First of all the 'little children' can be of any age https://marprelate.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/babes-in-christ/
Secondly, the answer is YES!! If children are not of an age to fosake whatever will keep them from Christ, they are not yet Christians and shouldn't be treated as if they are.

That's why I'm a Baptist and not a Presbyterian.

When Christ called James and John they left their jobs, their fishing nets, their families and all that they had and followed Christ.
When Andrew went and informed Peter that Christ was the Messiah, they both left everything and followed Jesus. (family, work, everything).
When Jesus said to Levi (Matthew), "Come and follow me," Levi arose and followed Christ. He was a tax collector. He left all the money, his tax table, his occupation, everything right there in the middle of the road and followed Christ.

Martin, you of your own testimony, have been able to do that only partially.
Most here have never done that in their lives.
But now you are saying you would expect someone like my five year old grand-daughter, who I believe is saved, to leave her parents, go out into this cruel world of her own accord, forsake all that she has, and be a missionary for Jesus. This is the most absurd position I have ever heard. She is a believer in Christ, not a disciple.

 

[Revmitchell]

But now you are saying you would expect someone like my five year old grand-daughter, who I believe is saved, to leave her parents, go out into this cruel world of her own accord, forsake all that she has, and be a missionary for Jesus. This is the most absurd position I have ever heard. She is a believer in Christ, not a disciple.

I do not believe that is a fair use of examples. Comparing a 5 year old to an adult fails.

 

[DHK]

I'll probably wake up late tomorrow, I told our 5 year old Santa doesn't want cookies, he'd rather have fried oysters and an IPA this year.

Why did you lie to him/her.
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[Martin Marprelate]

Your distinction between 'believers' and 'disciples' is a false one.
It's certainly not for me to judge your grand-daughter. If she says she loves Jesus, that's great. For the rest, pray, and wait and see.

 

[DHK]

I do not believe that is a fair use of examples. Comparing a 5 year old to an adult fails.

Perhaps not. However, when a believer first comes to Christ from a religion outside of a Christian family, as I did, he or she may have less knowledge about salvation and the Bible than my five year old daughter does at the presence. Such was the case with me. My five year old grand-daughter has more knowledge about the Bible and salvation at her age than I did before I was saved at the age of 20. Thus I do think the comparison is fair in that sense. Everyone grows at different rates. The people advocating LS do not take this into consideration. They must deny progressive sanctification in order to believe LS.

 

[DHK]

Your distinction between 'believers' and 'disciples' is a false one.
It's certainly not for me to judge your grand-daughter. If she says she loves Jesus, that's great. For the rest, pray, and wait and see.

Exactly true. I will pray, and wait and see if she becomes a true disciple of Christ. For now she remains a believer. It is Christ that drew the difference, not I.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Why did you lie to him/her.

Oh, so you're from the old school and still leave out cookies and milk? Roflmao Laugh Roflmao Laugh Roflmao Laugh

 

[Revmitchell]

Perhaps not. However, when a believer first comes to Christ from a religion outside of a Christian family, as I did, he or she may have less knowledge about salvation and the Bible than my five year old daughter does at the presence. Such was the case with me. My five year old grand-daughter has more knowledge about the Bible and salvation at her age than I did before I was saved at the age of 20. Thus I do think the comparison is fair in that sense. Everyone grows at different rates. The people advocating LS do not take this into consideration. They must deny progressive sanctification in order to believe LS.

You are going to have real problems with some verses based on your reasoning:

Mat_10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Growing a different rates does not mean that we have to grow into sacrificial living. People move into it slowly if at all only because it is not taught or the gospel is not actually preached.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Exactly true. I will pray, and wait and see if she becomes a true disciple of Christ. For now she remains a believer. It is Christ that drew the difference, not I.

Hopefully she becomes the former and rejects your false dichotomy error.

 

[DHK]

Oh, so you're from the old school and still leave out cookies and milk? Roflmao Laugh Roflmao Laugh Roflmao Laugh

I never have and I never will.
I am just wondering why you lie to your children and teach them about "Satan-Claus"?

 

[DHK]

You are going to have real problems with some verses based on your reasoning:

Mat_10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Growing a different rates does not mean that we have to grow into sacrificial living. People move into it slowly if at all only because it is not taught or the gospel is not actually preached.

I don't have a problem with that. That is the process of progressive sanctification. Not every believer is a disciple. That was my point in the fist place by using a child. In no way can a child, though he or she be saved, be considered a disciple. There are many adult believers in the same position: Believers, yes: disciples, no.

 

[Revmitchell]

[QUOTE="DHK, post: 2193850, member: 691] Not every believer is a disciple.[/QUOTE]


We do not agree there.

 

[Internet Theologian]

I never have and I never will.
I am just wondering why you lie to your children and teach them about "Satan-Claus"?

And I wonder as well why you lie about about disciples/believers false dichotomy to young ones. I'd dare say that is more of a grave matter than that of St. Nicolas, right?

 

[DHK]

Hopefully she becomes the former and rejects your false dichotomy error.

Do you accuse Jesus of making a false dichotomy when he specifically speaks to select believers and gives them specific requirements of discipleship. You ought to be ashamed.

 

[DHK]

And I wonder as well why you lie about about disciples/believers false dichotomy to young ones. I'd dare say that is more of a grave matter than that of St. Nicolas, right?

You have a man-made philosophy. Jesus made a distinction; not I.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The people advocating LS do not take this into consideration. They must deny progressive sanctification in order to believe LS.

This is nonsense.
When someone comes to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, he may well have no theology at all. All he needs to know is that he is a sinner; to turn away from that sin, and trust in Christ. the rest- Bible knowledge, growth in grace and understanding, progressive sanctification can come later. He is a disciple- mathetes, a learner. And what do learners do? They learn.

 

[Internet Theologian]

You have a man-made distinction. Jesus made a distinction; not I.

Jesus made no such distinction, men such as you have crafted this error on their own from fallacious doctrine of late.