Free Will Baptists

[evangelist6589]

Maybe I misunderstand these type but as I recall they do nt fully believe in total depravity, and they believe that man can choose salvation apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. Such types would also frown upon The Way of the Master, and other more Reformed styles of evangelism because they do not bring "results."

I found this statement on a church website.

http://www.inmanchurch.com/index.php?page=what-we-believe

Freedom of The Will
The human will is free and self-controlled having power to yield to the influence of the truth and the Spirit or to resist them and perish.

They also teach the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.

Free Will Baptist Doctrine holds to the traditional Arminian position, based on the belief in a General Atonement, that it is possible to commit apostasy, or willfully reject one's faith. Faith is the condition for salvation, hence Free Will Baptists hold to "conditional eternal security."

What do you say about them? How would they differ from a Charles Stanley and such? It would appear there are some similarities except that he rejects the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.

But by all appearances they hold to essential doctrine, and even though I disagree with their 5-point Arminianism they are a orthodox Christian church.

 

[Inspector Javert]

They are not "5-point Armininians".....one does NOT, I repeat NOT have to believe that one can "fall from grace" in order to be an "Arminian". You regularly say that....but ask any knowledgeable confessed "Arminian" Theologian whether an "Arminian" necessarily believes that one can lose their salvation, and they will answer in the negative. Arminius himself....E.....(let that sink in)...James Arminius, was not committed to that idea.

There are O.S.A.S. "Arminians" all over the place. Please stop spreading that falsehood.

It's largely because of that falsehood right there, that people have to type the annoyingly hyphenated usually unnecessary non-term "non-Cal"...instead of the perfectly and adequately descriptive and simple term "Arminian". Many Baptists deny being "Arminians" based upon THAT VERY misnomer ALONE.

I don't know about J.R. Rice specifically, but in another thread J.O.J. felt that it was incumbent upon him to deny that Rice was an "Arminian" (and that may be true)....but in all likelihood....it had EVERYTHING to do with O.S.A.S. ONLY...and nothing else, which would indeed make him an "Arminian".

(I will assume that he is more familiar than I and if I am mistaken than so be it).

Please educate yourself, and ask any respectable confessedly "ARMINIAN" Theologian NOT A CALVINIST what "Arminians" believe about "Eternal Security".
http://evangelicalarminians.org/survey-are-you-an-arminian-and-dont-even-know-it-2/

 

[The Biblicist]

They are not "5-point Armininians".....one does NOT, I repeat NOT have to believe that one can "fall from grace" in order to be an "Arminian". You regularly say that....but ask any knowledgeable confessed "Arminian" Theologian whether an "Arminian" necessarily believes that one can lose their salvation, and they will answer in the negative. Arminius himself....E.....(let that sink in)...James Arminius, was not committed to that idea.

There are O.S.A.S. "Arminians" all over the place. Please stop spreading that falsehood.

It's largely because of that falsehood right there, that people have to type the annoyingly hyphenated usually unnecessary non-term "non-Cal"...instead of the perfectly and adequately descriptive and simple term "Arminian". Many Baptists deny being "Arminians" based upon THAT VERY misnomer ALONE.

I don't know about J.R. Rice specifically, but in another thread J.O.J. felt that it was incumbent upon him to deny that Rice was an "Arminian" (and that may be true)....but in all likelihood....it had EVERYTHING to do with O.S.A.S. ONLY...and nothing else, which would indeed make him an "Arminian".

(I will assume that he is more familiar than I and if I am mistaken than so be it).

Please educate yourself, and ask any respectable confessedly "ARMINIAN" Theologian NOT A CALVINIST what "Arminians" believe about "Eternal Security".
http://evangelicalarminians.org/survey-are-you-an-arminian-and-dont-even-know-it-2/

You are correct. The American Baptist Association strongly believes in OSAS but also deny unconditional election, irresistable grace, limited atonement. There are many others as in the Bible Baptist Fellowship who are the same way.

 

[convicted1]

Maybe I misunderstand these type but as I recall they do nt fully believe in total depravity, and they believe that man can choose salvation apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. Such types would also frown upon The Way of the Master, and other more Reformed styles of evangelism because they do not bring "results."

I found this statement on a church website.

http://www.inmanchurch.com/index.php?page=what-we-believe



They also teach the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.



What do you say about them? How would they differ from a Charles Stanley and such? It would appear there are some similarities except that he rejects the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.

But by all appearances they hold to essential doctrine, and even though I disagree with their 5-point Arminianism they are a orthodox Christian church.

That's a rather wide blanket statement. There are Free Will Baptists that are in associations called that. Then there are "free will baptists", meaning there are free will baptist believing United Baptists, Old Regular Baptists, Southern Baptists, etc. I know some free will baptists that are 5 point Arminians, and I know some who agree will Original Sin, and that we are born spiritually dead. You can't make such a blanket statement(s), and expect it to be a "one size fits all".

 

[Ed B]

Some Free Will Baptist Churches strongly identify themselves with Calvin. I found proof this past Saturday.

 

[preacher4truth]

They're in Calvin, OK -- it has nothing to do with John Calvin.

 

[Luke2427]

Maybe I misunderstand these type but as I recall they do nt fully believe in total depravity, and they believe that man can choose salvation apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. Such types would also frown upon The Way of the Master, and other more Reformed styles of evangelism because they do not bring "results."

I found this statement on a church website.

http://www.inmanchurch.com/index.php?page=what-we-believe



They also teach the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.



What do you say about them? How would they differ from a Charles Stanley and such? It would appear there are some similarities except that he rejects the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.

But by all appearances they hold to essential doctrine, and even though I disagree with their 5-point Arminianism they are a orthodox Christian church.

I was saved in a Free Will Baptist Church. I was a Free Will Baptist preacher for years. I was first educated in a Free Will Baptist Bible College.

And I can tell you that many of them are fine people, but they are a VERY rural based denomination and the VAST majority of their preachers are tremendously uneducated.

They have been around for nearly three hundred years and have YET to establish one single seminary.

They have about 300,000 members in 2,500 churches worldwide but they probably don't have 100,000 show up for church on any given Sunday.

There is extraordinary infighting in their midst. They split their primary Bible college in the early eighties because one professor dared to suggest that the alcohol Jesus made might have been fermented.

The split off of that Bible college just split here about 5 years ago over whether or not the King James Bible is an infallible translation and whether or not Jesus' blood was human in origin.

My assessment: They are a mess.

 

[Luke2427]

They are not "5-point Armininians".....one does NOT, I repeat NOT have to believe that one can "fall from grace" in order to be an "Arminian".

You are mistaken. Free Will Baptists are a denomination that has a statement of faith that I know very well. They are thoroughly five-point Arminian.

You regularly say that....but ask any knowledgeable confessed "Arminian" Theologian whether an "Arminian" necessarily believes that one can lose their salvation, and they will answer in the negative. Arminius himself....E.....(let that sink in)...James Arminius, was not committed to that idea.

It is true that Arminius was not settled on the issue of security.

There are O.S.A.S. "Arminians" all over the place. Please stop spreading that falsehood.

Right. Like Baptistboard. But for whatever reason, the Arminians on here run from that title like the plague when that is what they truly are. They prefer to call themselves "non-cals" which is a meaningless title.

A SATAN-WORSHIPER is a non-cal!

Mormons are non-cals!

You could be ANYTHING and be a non-cal.

It is also meaningless because it just states what you DON'T believe- not what you DO believe.

 

[MB]

Maybe I misunderstand these type but as I recall they do nt fully believe in total depravity, and they believe that man can choose salvation apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. Such types would also frown upon The Way of the Master, and other more Reformed styles of evangelism because they do not bring "results."

I found this statement on a church website.

http://www.inmanchurch.com/index.php?page=what-we-believe



They also teach the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.



What do you say about them? How would they differ from a Charles Stanley and such? It would appear there are some similarities except that he rejects the false FALL FROM GRACE doctrine.

But by all appearances they hold to essential doctrine, and even though I disagree with their 5-point Arminianism they are a orthodox Christian church.

This is like saying Arminianism is true but I don't believe a word of it. Your freewill in action. To be orthodox means to be true.

 

[John of Japan]

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I don't know about J.R. Rice specifically, but in another thread J.O.J. felt that it was incumbent upon him to deny that Rice was an "Arminian" (and that may be true)....but in all likelihood....it had EVERYTHING to do with O.S.A.S. ONLY...and nothing else, which would indeed make him an "Arminian".

(I will assume that he is more familiar than I and if I am mistaken than so be it).
...

Hmm. I see myself referenced. :saint:

Your statement is a good part of the truth right there. JRR taught OSAS very strongly, and I would say believed in the depravity of man also (but in a somewhat different way from the typical Cal. idea). As for the labels, he never called himself an Arminian, but did write a short book and a pamphlet against Cal.

 

[convicted1]

.......but did write a short book and a pamphlet against Cal.

Now, what did he have against President Coolidge or Ripken, Jr. :wavey: :tongue3: :love2:

 

[John of Japan]

Now, what did he have against President Coolidge or Ripken, Jr. :wavey: :tongue3: :love2:

Har de har har!