Freedom of Speech AND Abortion Centers

[evangelist6589]

Do you have the date of the broadcast? It seems there are numerous part 2s and I don't have time to sit through 45 minute talks to find this.

July 2014 is the date

 

[evangelist6589]

I do like some of the Chic tracts - some I do not like.

The point I was making is that I agree with the others that passing out certain tracks at an abortion clinic is either the time nor the place to do so.
You might as well as go to random funeral homes and passing out Bible tracks which say you might be going to Hell.

That and open air preaching. Even if I can't personally give someone a tract unless they come to me, I can still place tracts on cars and open air preach.

 

[annsni]

July 2014 is the date

I listened twice. He never mentioned Chick tracts at all. Your statement that he speaks well of them in this podcast is untrue.

 

[blessedwife318]

blessedwife318, it does appear to me that the more vocal any of us becomes the more it drives people away. Just consider Westbrook Baptist and their antics.

I'd sit down the street a bit with signage advocating alternatives. Then, you let the Lord deal with those otherwise seeking an abortion.

Agreed, this is a time where a smile and a softly spoken word will do much more then yelling and condemnation.

 

[Salty]

..., I can still place tracts on cars ...

and that too, could be illegal - check local government ordinances....

 

[evangelist6589]

I listened twice. He never mentioned Chick tracts at all. Your statement that he speaks well of them in this podcast is untrue.

You must have the wrong episode. The one I have Chic Tracts are mentioned by a caller and he responds in the positive for that form of evangelism. But I know you are looking for an explicit statement such as "go and use Chick Tracts" or "I use chick tracts" and if that is your expectation you will be disappointed. RC only responds to the positive in the form of evangelism that Chick Tracts utilize.

 

[evangelist6589]

http://renewingyourmind.org/broadcasts/2014/07/14/ask-rc-live-part-2

RC Sproul gives a defense to justify a scare theology such as the theology used by Chick Tracts that the caller mentions.

 

[annsni]

http://renewingyourmind.org/broadcasts/2014/07/14/ask-rc-live-part-2

RC Sproul gives a defense to justify a scare theology such as the theology used by Chick Tracts that the caller mentions.

That is the exact one I listened to - the one where he speaks of Jonathan Edwards. Yes, he speaks of the scare evangelism but he never once mentions Chick tracts. It was only the caller who said he saw them and that they have the Grim Reaper and stuff and what did Dr. Sproul think about the idea of using scare tactics to evangelize.

 

[evangelist6589]

That is the exact one I listened to - the one where he speaks of Jonathan Edwards. Yes, he speaks of the scare evangelism but he never once mentions Chick tracts. It was only the caller who said he saw them and that they have the Grim Reaper and stuff and what did Dr. Sproul think about the idea of using scare tactics to evangelize.

As I said more than once you will not get a explicit statement (which is what you are looking for) but he does affirm and commend the style of evangelism used by Chick Tracts.

 

[blessedwife318]

But even if I only used Chic Tracts (which by the way RC Sproul has spoken well of).

Just heard it again. A caller asks about the evangelism methods of Chick Tracts and RC commends the element of fear that they use and the reality of Hell and then talks about Jonathan Edwards and his hell scare tactics. Yes Jack Chick tracts use plenty of Hell scare tactics.

You must have the wrong episode. The one I have Chic Tracts are mentioned by a caller and he responds in the positive for that form of evangelism. But I know you are looking for an explicit statement such as "go and use Chick Tracts" or "I use chick tracts" and if that is your expectation you will be disappointed. RC only responds to the positive in the form of evangelism that Chick Tracts utilize.

RC Sproul gives a defense to justify a scare theology such as the theology used by Chick Tracts that the caller mentions.

As I said more than once you will not get a explicit statement (which is what you are looking for) but he does affirm and commend the style of evangelism used by Chick Tracts.

You know the great thing about the Internet? Its easy to go back and look at what someone said. You got trapped in a lie and to try to get out of it you lie again. Only after you got called on the fact that RC Sproul did not talk about Chick Tracks did you back up and say that it was not an explicit statement. And then to try to back that up you said you said that more then once when you actually only did say it once after getting backed into a corner.

I thank you in advance for the bunny I know you would give me if I was not on ignore. :thumbs:

 

[InTheLight]

If anyone cares, the relevant portion is at 18:16 (as timer counts backwards) and lasts about 3 minutes. I got the impression that Sproul has no idea what a Chick tract is. He spoke of using the fear factor in sermons.

It's important because there is a difference between an in depth sermon about Hell constructed from Bible text and a cartoon pamphlet that takes 3 minutes to read.

 

[blessedwife318]

If anyone cares, the relevant portion is at 18:16 (as timer counts backwards) and lasts about 3 minutes. I got the impression that Sproul has no idea what a Chick tract is. He spoke of using the fear factor in sermons.

It's important because there is a difference between an in depth sermon about Hell constructed from Bible text and a cartoon pamphlet that takes 3 minutes to read.

After listening to this, I agree with you assessment. He does not talk about tracts at all, but talks about using fear in Sermons. And you're right there is a huge difference between a Sermon and pamphlet.

 

[InTheLight]

It's ironic that Evan6589, a Calvinist, advocates using Chick tracts. I remember using them when I was a teenager (This Was Your Life, Big Daddy, others) and they always ended with the Sinners Prayer, something that Calvinists recoil from.

 

[Sapper Woody]

You don't like Chic tracts then don't use them. But STOP trying to force your POV on others whom disagree with you.

I don't use Chick tracts, because I've caught them with glaring inaccuracies in a couple of their tracts. They have a couple of good ones, but I cannot recommend a company that doesn't even fact check.

 

[annsni]

As I said more than once you will not get a explicit statement (which is what you are looking for) but he does affirm and commend the style of evangelism used by Chick Tracts.

Then don't say that he approved Chick Tracts. To help you remember what you said:

But even if I only used Chic Tracts (which by the way RC Sproul has spoken well of)

 

[evangelist6589]

Then don't say that he approved Chick Tracts. To help you remember what you said:

He approved the style of evangelism utilized in the tracts which is fire and brimstone and scare. The question that the caller asked was about chick tracts.

 

[InTheLight]

Originally Posted by annsni
Then don't say that he approved Chick Tracts. To help you remember what you said:

He approved the style of evangelism utilized in the tracts which is fire and brimstone and scare. The question that the caller asked was about chick tracts.

If anyone has been reading this entire thread the problem with Evan6589 interpretation skills is evident. R.C. Sproul did not approve Chick tracts. It's doubtful he even knows what they are. But Evan insists that since Sproul approves of the "fear factor" technique of evangelism, then by extension Sproul approves of Chick tracts.

And therefore, Sproul would approve of Evan going in front of abortion clinics, open air preaching and handing out Chick tracts. So Evan can rationalize in his mind that this is a viable evangelism method and even has the endorsement of one of his Calvinist heroes.

 

[blessedwife318]

If anyone has been reading this entire thread the problem with Evan6589 interpretation skills is evident. R.C. Sproul did not approve Chick tracts. It's doubtful he even knows what they are. But Evan insists that since Sproul approves of the "fear factor" technique of evangelism, then by extension Sproul approves of Chick tracts.

And therefore, Sproul would approve of Evan going in front of abortion clinics, open air preaching and handing out Chick tracts. So Evan can rationalize in his mind that this is a viable evangelism method and even has the endorsement of one of his Calvinist heroes.

Very well stated. Of course when backed into a corner he then says that he didn't actually say that he approved just that it was mentioned and so he gives approval by omission of any condemnation of it.

 

[Servent]

In Mark 16:15 He said go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to all creation.
Not go into the world and be stupid, and I don't care if I do get band. I believe in evangelism with all my heart, I have been through Ray's course as well. But 90% of these women need to know that they are loved and not yelled by someone on a street corner that they are going to hell. Find a different way

 

[annsni]

He approved the style of evangelism utilized in the tracts which is fire and brimstone and scare. The question that the caller asked was about chick tracts.

No, the caller asked about the scare methods that the tracts use. The response spoke of Jonathan Edwards - who I don't think used Chick tracts.