Freedom?

[1689Dave]

I am not judging your motives. I am stating your actions. You are the one who demeaned all churches in your area as unfit to send converts to.

God knows your intentions.

 

[1689Dave]

I am not judging your motives. I am stating your actions. You are the one who demeaned all churches in your area as unfit to send converts to.

Jesus would too. You don't know how sinful they are and how loaded with false doctrine they are.

 

[Reynolds]

Y

Jesus would too. You don't know how sinful they are and how loaded with false doctrine they are.

You have some major issues. You are right and every Church in driving distance is wrong?

 

[1689Dave]

Y

You have some major issues. You are right and every Church in driving distance is wrong?

I can list the sins and false doctrines if you like. All of them promote adultery among their members through divorce and remarriage. Also some are into Homosexuality.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I stayed to myself long before Covid. These are the best years of my life.

Dave, you are missing the point. God provides to you certain gifts… like the gift of a day, the gift of love, the gift of friendship, the gift of family etc. these are all based off of interactions with others be it your family, your church, friends, the neighbors. God doesn’t want you to forever build a wall around yourself and separate yourself from the brethren. Of course, for the purpose of safety we have all been extra cautious. With me it began when my wife was diagnosed with cancer, I began washing my hands more, avoiding crowds and spending more time with her because she is my special gift. Her sister began avoiding us because we both can’t take the vaccines. Because of my wife’s low white blood cell count she cannot take the shots which would lower the count more and the chemotherapy would reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine anyway. So we have people in our own family who have basically shunned us.

so you see, this virus is virulent because it not only can kill you but the real evil that resides within it is because it separates us from one another…. Which I personally believe is Lucifers best tool against mankind ie to divide, to separate, to diminish… because we are then unable to express our love to others. And is that expression of love not our greatest gift to mankind?

So your gift right now is the gift of problems… because you are isolated from others, you have truncated your reach. When we learn from our problems, we deal with life. When we learn from other peoples problems, we begin to master life. Isn’t that why the Lord put us here?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I can list the sins and false doctrines if you like. All of them promote adultery among their members through divorce and remarriage. Also some are into Homosexuality.

I’d honestly be hard pressed to find a Primitive Baptist Church that promotes any of those things. And I’d go out on a limb and say that most Baptist churches don’t either… not if they are biblical.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I would suggest that God has told us how to respond to government and has told us that He has established each and every government on earth.
I do say, I am sorry for the sorrows God has ordained for you life and for mine. This corrupt world is not our home. We walk in obedience to God's word and we accept what God has ordained for us by giving Him praise.
Job 2:10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

I believe that you are mistaken in your interpretation of scripture when it comes to governments oppression of peoples God given rights because if by your understanding, the founding fathers wouldn’t have revolted against the British overlords. However I’d like to hear your take on that piece of history.

 

[AustinC]

I believe that you are mistaken in your interpretation of scripture when it comes to governments oppression of peoples God given rights because if by your understanding, the founding fathers wouldn’t have revolted against the British overlords. However I’d like to hear your take on that piece of history.

I would have disapproved of the revolution. God ordained the rebellion against Britain and created a new government from the rebellion, but Christians participating in the rebellion were biblically not justified in their actions.

 

[AustinC]

I would have disapproved of the revolution. God ordained the rebellion against Britain and created a new government from the rebellion, but Christians participating in the rebellion were biblically not justified in their actions.

It is of note that the rebellion was the first civil war in the Americas. Christians disagreed with one another and there was evil done by both sides. Not all of the colonists were in support of the rebellion.

 

[1689Dave]

It is of note that the rebellion was the first civil war in the Americas. Christians disagreed with one another and there was evil done by both sides. Not all of the colonists were in support of the rebellion.

"Christians" killing "Christians" in WWI, WWII, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War? And the same mindset flourishes today in most "churches". Especially with the bloodthirsty "Christian" Zionists.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"Christians" killing "Christians" in WWI, WWII, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War? And the same mindset flourishes today in most "churches". Especially with the bloodthirsty "Christian" Zionists.

So you would have a bloody psychopath rule the world during WW2? Someone who was intent on eliminating whole races of people for the purity of the German race!?!

 

[just-want-peace]

God is sovereign, but He uses people - in direct AND permissive will - to accomplish His aims.
Therefore, IMHO, to flatly state that a Christian is bucking His will, is to claim that you are smarter than God. Each Christian and each situation is unique and must be between that Christian and God as to how much, if any, participation is involved.

 

[Reformed1689]

Is it forcing you to disobey God? If not, you see what God tells us. We are going against God by disobeying the government God has established. If we disobey and the government brings the force of its law, then know that God approves of the government He established, not your disobedience. You cannot justify yourself before God.

One problem, this is not law, it is illegal overreach according to our guiding documents which usurp any elected official.

 

[1689Dave]

God is sovereign, but He uses people - in direct AND permissive will - to accomplish His aims.
Therefore, IMHO, to flatly state that a Christian is bucking His will, is to claim that you are smarter than God. Each Christian and each situation is unique and must be between that Christian and God as to how much, if any, participation is involved.

If God has a permissive will, He would need to have based His eternal decree on it, learning what each person might or might not do and adjusting His plan to accommodate them. He would not be omniscient in that case. And wicked people would be controlling Him.

 

[just-want-peace]

One problem, this is not law, it is illegal overreach according to our guiding documents which usurp any elected official.

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This is a problem that many seem to overlook! This country is NOT under a king , or ---!
This country is (supposed to be anyway) governed by a CONSTITUTION, that involves every citizen's input. The POTUS (or congress) does NOT have the authority to arbitrarily dictate their wishes to the public.
There are questionable areas as new situations arise & new technology is developed, & that is the job of the USSC - to define whether any given decision is permitted or denied by the constitution. (No comment on their standards)
Ergo, if it is plain that the constitution OKs certain things, then the gov't has no authority to dismiss same on the whim of any official.
Every citizen is guaranteed a voice in our gov't, so a Christian IS NOT violating scripture to be involved in the political process. In fact, if one wishes to be dogmatic, it would be a violation of all the "gov't" scriptures to NOT , as a minimum, VOTE!!!!
When gov't operates outside the constitution, they are a ba$tard gov't, so where does that fit into scripure?

 

[1689Dave]

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This is a problem that many seem to overlook! This country is NOT under a king , or ---!
This country is (supposed to be anyway) governed by a CONSTITUTION, that involves every citizen's input. The POTUS (or congress) does NOT have the authority to arbitrarily dictate their wishes to the public.
There are questionable areas as new situations arise & new technology is developed, & that is the job of the USSC - to define whether any given decision is permitted or denied by the constitution. (No comment on their standards)
Ergo, if it is plain that the constitution OKs certain things, then the gov't has no authority to dismiss same on the whim of any official.
Every citizen is guaranteed a voice in our gov't, so a Christian IS NOT violating scripture to be involved in the political process. In fact, if one wishes to be dogmatic, it would be a violation of all the "gov't" scriptures to NOT , as a minimum, VOTE!!!!
When gov't operates outside the constitution, they are a ba$tard gov't, so where does that fit into scripure?

Voting shows a person's heart. But it doesn't matter. God controls the vote so His pick always becomes the winner. It's probably not good if we do not pray for those elected. Suck it up and pray for Biden.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Bolded mine

This is a problem that many seem to overlook! This country is NOT under a king , or ---!
This country is (supposed to be anyway) governed by a CONSTITUTION, that involves every citizen's input. The POTUS (or congress) does NOT have the authority to arbitrarily dictate their wishes to the public.
There are questionable areas as new situations arise & new technology is developed, & that is the job of the USSC - to define whether any given decision is permitted or denied by the constitution. (No comment on their standards)
Ergo, if it is plain that the constitution OKs certain things, then the gov't has no authority to dismiss same on the whim of any official.
Every citizen is guaranteed a voice in our gov't, so a Christian IS NOT violating scripture to be involved in the political process. In fact, if one wishes to be dogmatic, it would be a violation of all the "gov't" scriptures to NOT , as a minimum, VOTE!!!!
When gov't operates outside the constitution, they are a ba$tard gov't, so where does that fit into scripure?

Good answer… I did not consider the present government ie Brandon and company as a ba$tard government but that is what’s now happening. I would even go so far to say that this crew is sinister in attempting to have their citizens bend the knee to their agenda w/o listening to the voice of the people. Anyone who is half way coherent could plainly see the arrogant position being taken which will not stand in the USA. This is not Canada or Australia, we are a nation of citizens with rights… Freedom Will Be Defended.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Voting shows a person's heart. But it doesn't matter. God controls the vote so His pick always becomes the winner. It's probably not good if we do not pray for those elected. Suck it up and pray for Biden.

I do… I pray that everyone recognizes that he can’t function cognitively and that Congress is called to issue a written declaration saying that Biden is mentally unable to discharge his duties.

in any event, if we have to suffer thru all the senility of this blundering incompetent (abortionist supporter) at least it will only be one term. Even blatant Marxists have to be embarrassed!

 

[Wingman68]

Clay Higgins — We will reinstate my military brothers and sisters with full pay!

I like his style.