From Pentecostal to Baptist

[standingfirminChrist]

Meanwhile back, in the room behind the Organ,
a Ministry Student/Counselor there was casting three demons
out of a lady (who finally died with a dead liver -- i can't
spell the name of 'dead liver' cause I don't pronounce it
right and the spelling aids aren't voice activated)
but it starts with a 'c' and ends with 's'

The word is cirrhosis. pronounced Sir O Sis. Hope that helps you in the future, Ed.

My oldest brother dies of cirrhosis last year.

 

[Ed Edwards]

The word is cirrhosis. pronounced Sir O Sis.
Hope that helps you in the future, Ed.
...

Thank you Brother StandingfirminChrist.

I need all the help I can get.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Don't we all?:laugh::wavey:

 

[Ed Edwards]

I think I'll pray something like this for Brother StandingfirminChrist:

May all God's best blessings be unto Brother
StandingfirminChrist, his family, and his ministry.
May this be so that we may all give more Glory
and Honor unto our Lord and Savior: Messiah Jesus.
Amen!


:wavey: - the Baptist emoticom:
both feet firmly on the floor and
only one hand raised at a time

I do have a FTF (face-to-face) friend who is a
Baptist music minister, he does RAPTURE practice.
He jumps up in the air (obviously younger than I).
He yells "Here I am, Jesus, catch me".
Maybe one of these days soon Jesus will catch him!
The moral of this story is someday we (Baptists, Pentacostals,
Carismatics, etc. who are IN JESUS) are gonna
have BOTH FEET OFF THE GROUND - not dancin' but
a rapturin' :thumbs: :jesus:

 

[standingfirminChrist]

speakin' of rapture...

did ya ever think about that split second that our loved ones who have passed will be standing once again on the earth with us?

I believe they will. Scripture says they will rise first. I believe this means from the grave. Then we which are alive in Christ shall be caught up together with them in the air. It is not until they rise from the grave that both groups of people will be causght up together with them.

Notice it does not say to gather? but rather together? They will stand on the earth again... if only for a split second!

 

[Pink]

Wayne Grudem now attends a Vineyard Church.

What does a Baptist do if he/she experiences a Sign gift?

What Church and where did you get your information?

 

[Pink]

From Penticostal to Baptist

The reason I ask is because I attend WG former church and the one he attended till he left the area. My pastor and much of the church know him personally. He is a non-cessationist reformed baptist. He is not charismatic as many have assumed . I attend an SBC reformed baptist church. He is not associated with the vineyard.---------------- By the way I am also an Ex-charismatic/penticostal. Spent about 6 years in that movement.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Looking for this on Google:

"Wayne Grudem" "Vineyard Church"

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/202/story_20219_1.html

They come out of my experience as an elder in a Vineyard church, a Southern Baptist church, and an independent Bible church. And they come out of 29 years of teaching experience in the classroom.

Wayne Grudem - Reading List! Please note that I've added to my Reading ... Currently worship at a Vineyard church in New Braunfels, just a bit down I 35. ...

http://doctrinematters.blogspot.com/2006/12/wayne-grudem-reading-list.html

This google entry looks like Grudem goes to New Braunfels (Texas)
Vineyard Church. But the one who goes to New Braunfels
is NOT Grudem

 

[Maria000]

Having been in the ministry for 45 years, I spent the first 31 years as a minister in the Church of God (Pentecostal) and the Assemblies of God. Now for the past 14 years I have been an ordained Southern Baptist. When I was a Pentecostal I knew many former Baptists who had become Pentecostals. However, I meet far fewer people who, like me, have made the switch from Pentecostal to Baptist. Does anyone care to comment on why the migration seems to be flowing more strongly from Baptist to Pentecostal than it is from Pentecostal to Baptist? Or is that just my perception? I would especially enjoy hearing from other former Pentecostals who are now Baptists.

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I left Baptist for Pentecostal due to their emphasis on holiness and their promise of wellbeing. However, my experience with Pentecostalism is painful and I ended up returning to the Baptist Church as I’ll explain . When I first met them, I felt lonely, I was not a Baptist yet, and they targeted me for that. They showered me with “love” but later abandoned me being left worse than when they found me. However, because I never joined their church and they claimed to be nondenominational, I had no idea they were Pentecostals. I thought they were bad Christians. In time, since I didn’t know the name of their denomination, I even attended a church of the same faith seeking the healing they promised . There I learned they are a cult. The pastor preached on church discipline with anger and hatred. I learned they blame you for all problems you have. They say is a result of your sins. The pastor was highly charismatic but I could tell he wasn’t truly good. He was hateful. I learned these churches make members sign a legal agreement to then abuse them with the excuse of discipline and leave them unable to legally defend themselves. Very few people voice their concerns fearing legal retaliation. Thankfully because of his weird sermons I was able to identify the old “friends “ were part of that faith and never officially joined their church or signed the agreement . I’m free to say whatever I want. They can’t silence me. Before I knew them I was mentally healthy. After them, I am mentally ill. It’s been decades already and I’m not totally well yet. The particular group I dealt with was Community Churches. I’m a Baptist now because they do love and in that faith you learn how God loves you. As a Pentecostal I never felt like I pleased God, I doubted being saved even without a good reason, and felt fear the devil would attack me if I sinned. Now I’m confident that if my conversion is honest, which it is, I’m saved and beloved and that God takes care of me. All I have to do if I sin is pray and confess and I’m back in fellowship with him. I won’t say there aren’t good things one can experience as a Pentecostal, but I can say it can be a very toxic faith. Nothing toxic can come from God but God can meet you anywhere. Baptist churches are full of flawed people too, but they are generally not spiritually abusive and hold on to the scriptures for truth. I recommend people before they join these Pentecostal churches to take their time and do their research . It could be the difference between health and illness to many. To Baptist I would encourage them to preach what being saved really means rather than focus too much on eternal security because that’s what people like these prey on. They show you different scriptures that contradict eternal security and then tell you you need to behave and have real faith to heal. If you are sick or lonely, you’re an easy target. Baptist also need to stop preaching God wants you sick because for those who really hurt, you’re telling them God doesn’t love them. I left tired of people not believing God loved me and didn’t wanted me well. I even thought he was bad, It’s well meaning but a knives in people’s hearts. The fact is God does want us well. That’s why there was no disease until Adam and Eve sinned. But if something bad does happen it’s not God’s will although He might allow it. Preach love through healing and you’ll see people will stay, and don’t preach faithlessness for without faith very few healings occur. I met many Baptist who couldn’t believe in a miracle ever. Their faith was too weak on that. People need help in many areas and this is an area many Baptist churches fail in although some I learned are ministering well in that area so this is not a message for them. Those who do well have strong faith and preach love but the message before is for those who need it. Not all Baptist need any of these two pieces of advice but it’s a problem with some churches. I apologize if it sounds harsh, but that’s what you ask to know: why so many people leave and why some come back,

 

[Maria000]

I left Baptist for Pentecostal due to their emphasis on holiness and their promise of wellbeing. However, my experience with Pentecostalism is painful and I ended up returning to the Baptist Church as I’ll explain . When I first met them, I felt lonely, I was not a Baptist yet, and they targeted me for that. They showered me with “love” but later abandoned me being left worse than when they found me. However, because I never joined their church and they claimed to be nondenominational, I had no idea they were Pentecostals. I thought they were bad Christians. In time, since I didn’t know the name of their denomination, I even attended a church of the same faith seeking the healing they promised . There I learned they are a cult. The pastor preached on church discipline with anger and hatred. I learned they blame you for all problems you have. They say is a result of your sins. The pastor was highly charismatic but I could tell he wasn’t truly good. He was hateful. I learned these churches make members sign a legal agreement to then abuse them with the excuse of discipline and leave them unable to legally defend themselves. Very few people voice their concerns fearing legal retaliation. Thankfully because of his weird sermons I was able to identify the old “friends “ were part of that faith and never officially joined their church or signed the agreement . I’m free to say whatever I want. They can’t silence me. Before I knew them I was mentally healthy. After them, I am mentally ill. It’s been decades already and I’m not totally well yet. The particular group I dealt with was Community Churches. I’m a Baptist now because they do love and in that faith you learn how God loves you. As a Pentecostal I never felt like I pleased God, I doubted being saved even without a good reason, and felt fear the devil would attack me if I sinned. Now I’m confident that if my conversion is honest, which it is, I’m saved and beloved and that God takes care of me. All I have to do if I sin is pray and confess and I’m back in fellowship with him. I won’t say there aren’t good things one can experience as a Pentecostal, but I can say it can be a very toxic faith. Nothing toxic can come from God but God can meet you anywhere. Baptist churches are full of flawed people too, but they are generally not spiritually abusive and hold on to the scriptures for truth. I recommend people before they join these Pentecostal churches to take their time and do their research . It could be the difference between health and illness to many. To Baptist I would encourage them to preach what being saved really means rather than focus too much on eternal security because that’s what people like these prey on. They show you different scriptures that contradict eternal security and then tell you you need to behave and have real faith to heal. If you are sick or lonely, you’re an easy target. Baptist also need to stop preaching God wants you sick because for those who really hurt, you’re telling them God doesn’t love them. I left tired of people not believing God loved me and didn’t wanted me well. I even thought he was bad, It’s well meaning but a knives in people’s hearts. The fact is God does want us well. That’s why there was no disease until Adam and Eve sinned. But if something bad does happen it’s not God’s will although He might allow it. Preach love through healing and you’ll see people will stay, and don’t preach faithlessness for without faith very few healings occur. I met many Baptist who couldn’t believe in a miracle ever. Their faith was too weak on that. People need help in many areas and this is an area many Baptist churches fail in although some I learned are ministering well in that area so this is not a message for them. Those who do well have strong faith and preach love but the message before is for those who need it. Not all Baptist need any of these two pieces of advice but it’s a problem with some churches. I apologize if it sounds harsh, but that’s what you ask to know: why so many people leave and why some come back,

Just to clarify, I was left suicidal by the abandonment and abuse of my supposed Pentecostal friends and was hopeless when my Baptist friends told me God wanted me sick. I left because Pentecostals offer the hope very ill people long for. I returned when I realized Pentecostal religions are unhealthy faiths to be in. My current Baptist church is full of hope and in my current church no one ever told me God wants me sick. On the contrary, this Baptist church believes in healing.