Fruits of Calvanism

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by npetreley:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by webdog:
Well I'm glad we amuse each other, but I wouldn't admit so freely that Scipture I post is not truthful...

I didn't think I had to qualify this, but I will. It's not the scripture itself but what you write about it that I find to be devoid of truth. Of course, if I say "all of what you've written", I should clarify that I'm using "all" hyperbolically. I'm sure if I sifted through every post you've ever made I might find a nugget or two of truth somewhere in something you've written. I don't have enough time to engage in such an exercise, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. [/QUOTE]I'm really glad you hold yourself in such high esteem. Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt that I may hold onto a "nugget" of truth, as your knowledge supercedes anything I can ever hope for.

npetreley · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by Me4Him:
Then you have to "DENY" that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.

1 Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I don't mean to speak for Calvi, but I would deny no such thing. Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world, meaning not just the elect from among the Jews, but also from the Gentiles in the Roman world and beyond.

You want to force the definition "all people who ever lived, live or will live without exception" on "the whole world", and then call it a contradiction. But it is only a contradiction because of your forced interpretation of what "whole world" must mean.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (all peoples without distinction of location, nationality or descent). Jesus did not die for the sins of every person who ever lived, lives or will live, without exception.

Calvibaptist · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
Define "choose" or "choice", as many calvinists believe an option of one thing constitutes a "choice" (by definition not a true choice)

Speaking of strawmen...

How many options does there need to be before there is a choice? I would say two. So, you have life or death. There is a choice. Just because you like death more than life doesn't mean there is not a choice.

This example was already used on this board, but I might as well re-use it... You walk into Baskin Robbins, which boasts 31 flavors. You have 31 different choices. But you only like chocolate. You absolutely hate every other flavor of icecream except for chocolate. So you will only choose chocolate. Does that mean there is not a choice? No, there are 31 choices even if you will only choose 1.

The choice of light and darkness are out there, but men hate the light because their deeds are evil. The only ones who come to the light are those who do the truth. Why do they do the truth? Because their deeds have been done in God.

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

How many options does there need to be before there is a choice? I would say two. So, you have life or death. There is a choice. Just because you like death more than life doesn't mean there is not a choice.

Yes, let's talk about strawmen. Who likes death more than life? Ecclesiastes 3:11 must be a lie?

Calvibaptist · Apr 19, 2006

I'm sorry, but Ecc. 3:11 does not mention death, life, or like. Maybe you would like to reconsider your supposed slam-dunk proof-text for your point?

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
]Who chooses who?

and..

when was the choosing?

Define "choose" or "choice", as many calvinists believe an option of one thing constitutes a "choice" (by definition not a true choice)

*********

If I may..i will take a line from your post.

"You did not anwser"

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

Ecc 3:11 He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also put eternity in their hearts, but man cannot discover the work God has done from beginning to end.

I never realized that the meaning to have eternity rooted in our hearts would constitute the need for the actual words "death, life" in the text.

What kind of "eternity" (period beyond the present) would someone who "likes death more" be hoping for...eternal destruction and permanent death?

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by Jarthur001:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by webdog:
]Who chooses who?

and..

when was the choosing?

Define "choose" or "choice", as many calvinists believe an option of one thing constitutes a "choice" (by definition not a true choice)

*********

If I may..i will take a line from your post.

"You did not anwser" [/QUOTE]If you can't define choose or choice, I can't answer.

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />How many options does there need to be before there is a choice? I would say two. So, you have life or death. There is a choice. Just because you like death more than life doesn't mean there is not a choice.

Yes, let's talk about strawmen. Who likes death more than life? Ecclesiastes 3:11 must be a lie? [/QUOTE]Oh brothers. This is such a poor use of the word of God. He may have got the verse wrong...but i know of the verse.

Ecclesiastes is a look at life.."under the sun"...without God in mind. Yes..the writer said these words..but this is without God...one may as well be dead.

This is getting very silly indeed.

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

choice means to pick one over the other

so...
again for the 6th time..

who did the choosing?

when was the choosing?

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by Jarthur001:
choice means to pick one over the other

so...
again for the 6th time..

who did the choosing?

when was the choosing?

Based on your correct definition, God commands us to choose "life"...
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live,

Of course, the calvinist will say that God commands us to do things we cannot do.

When was the choosing? When God drew us and convicted us to Him, as He said He would in John 12:32

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.

here is the verse...i mean..i think this is the one you wanted

chapter 4

webdog · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by Jarthur001:
And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.

here is the verse...i mean..i think this is the one you wanted

chapter 4

You have a real habit of leaving "in Christ" out of everything, huh?
This doesn't answer the question about those who "choose death" spiritually.

npetreley · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
Of course, the calvinist will say that God commands us to do things we cannot do.

The very foundation of the heresy called pelagianism is the assertion that God would never command men to do anything unless man was able of his own free will to comply.

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jarthur001:
choice means to pick one over the other

so...
again for the 6th time..

who did the choosing?

when was the choosing?

Based on your correct definition, God commands us to choose "life"...
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live,

Of course, the calvinist will say that God commands us to do things we cannot do.

When was the choosing? When God drew us and convicted us to Him, as He said He would in John 12:32 [/QUOTE]for the 7th time...looking at the passage you brought up...ehp 1

who chooses us for salvation?

when was the choosing

BTW..your verse..the one you just posted...God does call all to him...yet no man seeks God..so no one comes...then we have election

this will be the last time i ask. for somereason you want to hide from this point

Jarthur001 · Apr 19, 2006

Originally posted by webdog:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jarthur001:
And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.

here is the verse...i mean..i think this is the one you wanted

chapter 4

You have a real habit of leaving "in Christ" out of everything, huh?
This doesn't answer the question about those who "choose death" spiritually. [/QUOTE]?? i'm lost

you posted a verse...and it was wrong. i just tried to help you out by posting the verse i thought you meant.

never mind...i must still have the wrong verse

BTW.."in Christ" is not found in the OT.

lgpruitt · Apr 19, 2006

I'm not sure this really belongs in this thread or not. But, forgive me if it doesn't. I have often asked why God would create the "10-40 window" in which most of the people are not Christian nor are they exposed to Christianity. Can anyone explain this to me? I've asked many church/bible teachers...no one has had an answer to satisfy me.

npetreley · Apr 19, 2006

What's a 10-40 window?

npetreley · Apr 19, 2006

Nevermind, I looked it up.

lgpruitt · Apr 19, 2006

10 degrees latitude by 40 degrees latitude on the world map....a very large area. It is called the 10-40(ten-forty) window.

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