I don't know. This is a new type of challenge and I would need to see the passages you speak of.
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Fundamentalism Versus Evangelicalism
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37818
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The passages are half the answers.
6 of those 23.
Matthew 5:22.
Matthew 11:23.
Luke 16:23.
1 Corinthians 15:55
Revelation 20:13-14.
It is not that a sinner’s will is “stronger” than God’s will. That’s ludicrous and a strawman.God gave His exact breathed words. We have them all. Joyfully, I can read them since I know Greek and Hebrew. I find joy in accurate, faithful translations in a number of languages, realizing that all are man-made and thus (by nature) imperfect, especially as languages evolve and word meaning may take a 180 from what was the norm a decade of centuries before.
The fundamentals of the faith are in the Word and in the person of Christ. Please so not conflate/confuse them with any hermeneutical or theological interpretation or view.
[Aside: Cannot imagine a person who doesn't believe in the complete abject incapability of a sinner to do one righteous thing in the sight of God even understands doctrine and that salvation is left to the sinner. Nor that God the Father who is sovereign in salvation's choices, not evil, wicked, fallen man who still, obviously believes he can chose correctly. Nor that God the Son died but it failed to save because a sinner's will was stronger than His will. Nor that God the holy Spirit can be stopped by man? Or that man could somehow lose the eternal salvation God the Father, Son, and Spirit promised (and didn't lie). As Spurgeon said so succinctly, Calvinism IS the Gospel.
But Calvinism has NOTHING to do with the Fundamentals of the Faith. That is a different discussion; confusing the two may be a problem. Trust you can grasp that and feel free to spout off in the Calvinism/Arminian discussion forum where they could shed some light on false doctrine.]
It’s too simple, I guess. God allows, yes, even demands, that man make a choice.
As Joshua said, “Choose ye this day whom ye will serve…as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Joshua 24:15. Also John 1:12-13; John 3:16; Acts 2:21; Acts 10:43.
Godisgracious1031
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Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gopsel of Christ...
Also, I quickly looked at all the places of hell in the Bible, they are all related to the pit, fire that is the earth's core. Anyways, all those who are not saved will go to the lake of fire.
Also, I quickly looked at all the places of hell in the Bible, they are all related to the pit, fire that is the earth's core. Anyways, all those who are not saved will go to the lake of fire.
Godisgracious1031
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Jesus did descend to hell.
LOLAmen, say we. Someone asked me if I were a fundamentalist. I said,
"No FUN"
"All DAMN"
"Little MENTAL"
seemed to describe me pretty well
(Caveat: Dr Bauder and I are old friends, from the same school of thought and circles of life)
Hell is always 'down" as opposed to heaven being "up." So, they are opposites. In your list, most occurrances of hell is the fire where the souls of unsaved men reside awaiting the bodily resurrection and the judgement of the great day, the great white throne judgement, where death, the body, and hell, the soul are sent for eternity.
It is stated where Jesus went when he was disembodied by physical death. It was Paradise where the OT saints resided awaiting the cleansing of sins by the blood of Christ, the perfect atonement. It was in the center of the earth. He did not go to the fire even though the scriptures say his soul was not left in hell. When Jesus said on the cross that his work of redemption was finished, it was. He suffered for our sins in his own body on the tree and not in the fires of hell.
1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
37818
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The [hell] Nether World had two compartments. Upper and lower place.
Luke 16:23-31. Deuteronomy 32:22.
The upper place [aka Paradise] was moved to Heaven at Christ's ascension, Ephesians 4:8, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, . . .
Godisgracious1031
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Hell was enlarged when he took those in paradise
David Lamb
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What bible references do you have for hell being enlarged, and for those already in paradise/heaven being removed and sent to hell?
GodisgraciousR325
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Hi David,
The Bible saith that hell was enlarged, I forgot where, but if ever do find out, let me know.
He took the captives and led them high.
Paraphrasing, and no, they were not sent to hell, they were going to heaven.
The Bible saith that hell was enlarged, I forgot where, but if ever do find out, let me know.
He took the captives and led them high.
Paraphrasing, and no, they were not sent to hell, they were going to heaven.
37818
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Isaiah 5:14, Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, . . .
He led captivity captive…. It’s in Ephesians.