shinninglight
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Are some Fundamentalist Baptist churches crossing the line to the point where some may be classified cultic or semi-cultic because the focus is on a pastor-who is not be questioned?
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Fundamentalist Baptists crossing the Line?
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Darron Steele
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Is there something specific you want to discuss without naming names or places?
I know that there are some pastors in some Baptist congregations who aspire to be essentially popes to their congregations.
However, there are some pastors in Pentecostal congregations who demand to be consulted by attenders on any decision of their life that has any importance.
Abuse of power has been a lifelong problem for the church. What sort of thing are you wanting to discuss?
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That is certainly not a new problem and certainly not limited to Fundamental Baptists. It has to do with the attitude and spirit of the pastor and the people. It has nothing to do with being fundamental in doctrine and practice.
Tom Bryant
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I think that the OP has a bone to pick with baptist/fundamentalist pastors. see this thread also.
shinninglight
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The question I asked was a general question, nothing specific. Some pentecostal churches have also crossed the line. I just get the impression that this is a greater problem in the independent baptist churches. Am I right or wrong on this?
the link is no good. I think Tom Bryant is a fundy pastor who wants control :laugh::tonofbricks:
Only you can determine the answer based on your own experience, it is highly subjective and is completely determined on an individual basis. Perhaps, in your area, in the churches that you have visited, that may be the case.
However, you are making a blanket generalization without any analytical data to support your hypothesis.
shinninglight
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Based on whats happening in the world today, it appears that the root cause of a large part of the worlds troubles is fundamentalsim run amok. Fundamental Islam in my books is a cult.
Are some fundamentalist churches crossing the line? Yes.
Are some pentecostal church crossing the line? Yes.
Your questions are vauge and don't make too much sense. I agree with Tom and think you have some bone to pick or some grudge you need to get over. The link to the other thread is:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=60579
Tom Bryant
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You're wrong.... I want TOTAL control!:laugh:
Your link in post # 4 still doesent work:tear:
Perhaps you better read up on "Fundamentalism."
A good book to read is "In Search of Purity," by David Beale.
To equate "Fundamental Islam" to fundamentalism in Christianity is like comparing the Pope to a fundamentalist pastor. Do the two have anything in common? No. I belong to an IFB church. I am also a missionary. I have an outreach to Muslims. That doesn't make me one. I resent the accusation.
shinninglight
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As posted by matt Wade,
"Your questions are vauge and don't make too much sense. I agree with Tom and think you have some bone to pick or some grudge you need to get over."
I don't think I'm vague at all and there is no bone to pick. I just think its an interesting topic and a real topic. I hope your not a fundamentalist that just wants to sweep things under the rug. And I don't despise baptists as some of my best friends are baptist. I just think there is a real problem in fundamental churches as well as Pentecostal. I focused on fundamental Baptist churches but the issue can apply to any church.
"Your questions are vauge and don't make too much sense. I agree with Tom and think you have some bone to pick or some grudge you need to get over."
I don't think I'm vague at all and there is no bone to pick. I just think its an interesting topic and a real topic. I hope your not a fundamentalist that just wants to sweep things under the rug. And I don't despise baptists as some of my best friends are baptist. I just think there is a real problem in fundamental churches as well as Pentecostal. I focused on fundamental Baptist churches but the issue can apply to any church.
shinninglight
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DHK states,
"I have an outreach to Muslims. That doesn't make me one. I resent the accusation".
DHK, I'm not accusing you but I stand by my statement that Fundamental Islam is very close to or if not a cult.
When women are treated as an object-they get beat up quite often-I have seen muslim women come to work black and blue on a number of occasions.
When women are forced to wear full body and facial covers(burques, etc)
When young men and women are encouraged to commit suicide bombings to clear the infidels(which is not only americans but anybody)
When all other faiths are hated and are not tolerated-today 40-50 christian homes were burned in Pakistan-America's ally.
I could go on and on and on. Please, I am not offending you or those muslims that are true believers-those that believe a God who is full of love and peace-and reject fundamentalists-who have crossed the line.
"I have an outreach to Muslims. That doesn't make me one. I resent the accusation".
DHK, I'm not accusing you but I stand by my statement that Fundamental Islam is very close to or if not a cult.
When women are treated as an object-they get beat up quite often-I have seen muslim women come to work black and blue on a number of occasions.
When women are forced to wear full body and facial covers(burques, etc)
When young men and women are encouraged to commit suicide bombings to clear the infidels(which is not only americans but anybody)
When all other faiths are hated and are not tolerated-today 40-50 christian homes were burned in Pakistan-America's ally.
I could go on and on and on. Please, I am not offending you or those muslims that are true believers-those that believe a God who is full of love and peace-and reject fundamentalists-who have crossed the line.
Tom Bryant
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shinninglight
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I forgot to add Honour Killings to that list. We just had one in Canada where 4 women in a muslim (1st wife and 3 daughters of the 2nd wife) family were murdered by the husband and the son. A very sad story.
What does Islam have to do with Baptist Fundamentalists?
shinninglight
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I'm just saying that Fundamentalism in any religious form without checks and balances is a very very dangerous thing. It morfs into something over time that is very scary-its intolerant-its hateful-it has no love.
True, but the OP implied Baptist Fundamentalists were cultic. Do you have examples? What are you referring to? And why are you comparing Baptists to radical Muslims?
This is the media's mis-use of the historic usage of the word "fundamentalism." Learn what the word means in its historic sense, or don't use the word at all.
Is what you described above fundamentalism? No, not at all? It is simply an absurd red herring to the OP.