'Fundamentally change America' means what?

[carpro]

“If Barack Obama is elected president, then we have the opportunity to fundamentally transform American politics and the economy — progressives do – for the first time in really in my lifetime…”

Convicted Felon Robert Creamer
Aug., 2008

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”

Barak Obama
10/30/08




Why would anyone think America needs to be "fundamentally transformed" as opposed to just "changed"?

Exactly what is "Fundamental" transformation?

 

[Revmitchell]

Good question what does that mean ?

 

[OldRegular]

Good question what does that mean ?

If you are a Marxist, as Obama is, it means create a Marxist state.

 

[hillclimber1]

It means grab your wallet..

It means that fundamentally, he is dissatisfied with the country and wants to change it to better fit his ideal.

It was/is so vague a declaration, only suitable as a terrific campaign slogan, with no actual meaning...

take your choice.

 

[just-want-peace]

This is the "change" that so many thought was so essential after the Bush administration.

Granted, some drastic changes needed to be made, but I was hoping for some specifics re; size of the feds, spending, term limits, yada, yada, yada.

I never did, like so many of the "0"'s minions, accept a war cry of "CHANGE", as enough to constitute a viable candidate; but obviously I was in the minority.

I would like to think that at least half the "0" voters would be discerning enough to question further erosion of our system, but from many of the comments of the libs on this board I'm afraid that I'm just whistling "Cum by ya"!

 

[KenH]

To truly fundamementally change America we would have to move toward limited government in all areas.

 

[OldRegular]

To truly fundamementally change America we would have to move toward limited government in all areas.

That may be the change we would desire but Obama and his democrats are moving in the opposite direction.

 

[targus]

This is the "change" that so many thought was so essential after the Bush administration.

Granted, some drastic changes needed to be made, but I was hoping for some specifics re; size of the feds, spending, term limits, yada, yada, yada.

I never did, like so many of the "0"'s minions, accept a war cry of "CHANGE", as enough to constitute a viable candidate; but obviously I was in the minority.

I would like to think that at least half the "0" voters would be discerning enough to question further erosion of our system, but from many of the comments of the libs on this board I'm afraid that I'm just whistling "Cum by ya"!

That's the problem...

Obama actually said "hoax and chains".

And that is what we are getting.

 

[pinoybaptist]

If you are a Marxist, as Obama is, it means create a Marxist state.

OR, my good friend and beloved brother, Mr. Obama doesn't even come close to being dust in the fingernails of a real, true-blue Marxist.

Believe me, I was once on the way to becoming a Marxist.
If this were the Philippines, in the late 60's he'd be shunned and called a revisionist.

By the way, who is Robert Creamer ?

 

[Revmitchell]

OR, my good friend and beloved brother, Mr. Obama doesn't even come close to being dust in the fingernails of a real, true-blue Marxist.

Believe me, I was once on the way to becoming a Marxist.
If this were the Philippines, in the late 60's he'd be shunned and called a revisionist.

By the way, who is Robert Creamer ?

And what you fail to recognize is these movements have changed. It is incorrect to compare the two however the principles by which they are driven remain the same. How those principles are expressed change like everything else. Neomarxism

There is no doubt he is a marxist as was his mentors

 

[pinoybaptist]

And what you fail to recognize is these movements have changed. It is incorrect to compare the two however the principles by which they are driven remain the same. How those principles are expressed change like everything else. Neomarxism

There is no doubt he is a marxist as was his mentors

At most, I would call him a fellow-traveler of the Marxist.
Believe me, he is still a capitalist by heart.
Although you are right.
Many Marxists have abandoned armed struggle in favor of political struggle which they tended to disdain before, and in this age of "coined" phrases they are called "neo" marxists, or neo-whatevers.

So, who is Robert Creamer ?

 

[Revmitchell]

At most, I would call him a fellow-traveler of the Marxist.
Believe me, he is still a capitalist by heart.

No evidence of that. He is not willing to reveal all his desires up front. He is a true blue marxist. I already made a case on two occasions showing why this is true.

Although you are right.
Many Marxists have abandoned armed struggle in favor of political struggle which they tended to disdain before, and in this age of "coined" phrases they are called "neo" marxists, or neo-whatevers.

Exactly

So, who is Robert Creamer ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer

 

[carpro]

So, who is Robert Creamer ?

http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/07/was-democrats-health-care-strategy-written-in-federal-prison/