G. A. Riplinger and fundamentalism

[DJ N'LyTe]

John of Japan

Women teaching men in church is a trivial thing?? Friend, you appear to be influenced by the current philosophy of the world rather than the Word of God. This is hardly the same as your grandma teaching you things in private. This is the bride of Christ, the church of God we're talking about. Gail Riplinger stands up in church services and teaches men. The Bible forbids that. Story over.

Since you've only been saved a couple of years I hope you'll listen to one who has been saved for 51 years. We Baptists believe in something called the Baptist distinctives. The most important of those is usually stated, "The Bible as the sole rule of faith and practice." You calling "hilarious" and "comedy central" our belief about what the Bible teaches about women in the church is immature. Please rethink it.

By the way, for the record, I believe that a woman should pray having her head covered, just as the Bible says and you have pointed out. That covering is normally her long hair, as the Bible teaches. My wife has lovely long auburn hair which she never cuts except for trimming damaged hair. If she were to cut her hair, I believe she should wear a hat as the Scripture teaches. But the ramifications and importance of this is not nearly as important as the issue of women teaching men in the church.

1) Thanks for the insults HaHa it proves to me more how much Christ has changed my life by the way I can react now. WAY TO BE A CHRISTIAN AND SHOW BROTHERLY LOVE
2) Your definition of church is whack church is a people of God not a building
3) This gets on my nerves so so much Tell me what me being a Christian for two years and you 51 has to do with the truth unless were talking about you being old and stuck on tradition.
4)what about cutting your beard
5)what about wearing wool
6) I can go on and on about rules in the bible that you probably dont follow so who are you to pick and choose
7)Trivial definition= of little worth or importance <a trivial objection> <trivial problems> b: relating to or being the mathematically simplest case; specifically : characterized by having all variables equal to zero <a trivial solution to a linear equation>
8)Do you think its important to salvation so how trivial is it
9)"Story Over" maybe you practice a story I dont I know the way, the truth , the life
10)"you appear to be influenced by the current philosophy of the world rather than the Word of God." so because my oppinions and your oppinions dont match Im of the world, way to accuse, you know I know someone else in the bible thats refered to as the great accuser
11)"Since you've only been saved a couple of years I hope you'll listen to one who has been saved for 51 years." YOUR STILL NOT GOD
12) Baptist distinctives definition= Im right your wrong listen to me dont study for your self shut up and sit.
13)" You calling "hilarious" and "comedy central" our belief about what the Bible teaches about women in the church is immature." I didnt call your belief funny I called the arguments funny you know how Christians put themselves on a pedistal and say Im right
14) Ill let you pick and choose which laws and which rules you want to follow by tradition and Im going to study Gods Word and take it in context to find out what applies to today. and what was written for that piticular time period.
15) Understand this that there can be 1 truth and 2 totally different oppinions on that truth and neither of them could be right
16)Next time you decide to pick apart someones letter get all of the facts down dont pick it apart and it might help to aim for someone without a backbone to stand up for what he believes
17)Though we might disagree Id never call your beliefs immature or say you dont love the Lord so even though Im insulted by you and angry as I write this go in Peace and GOD BLESS

 

[EdSutton]

We finally agree.. . On Hyles, and I remember my dad using the Douey..(I think that's how you spell it) leading my uncle to Christ...

YOu may say you are KJVO.. but I think you are more like me... KJVP... with this new revelation!!!

For the benefit of tinytim and Salamander, the version is properly known as the Douai-Reims or Reims-Douai Bible (or version). It is very often 'Anglicized' as Douay-Rheims. I personally 'Anglicize' the word "Rheims", for that is the way I learned of it many years ago, even if that is improper.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Again the SBC proclaims to have all the goods on the Bible, yet they aren't sure what it is exactly. They certainly stab at everyone who stands on the KJB and attack them and the Bible consistently.

Pretty broad brush, there Salamander. For example, I have never once heard or read any SBC claim "to have all the goods on the Bible" from anyone, in whose judgment I would put one particle of credence, in any SBC church. And I personally know several KJVO types, who are members of "SBC aligned" churches. My own pastor is very close to this stance. BTW, my own church is not, nor has it ever been "an SBC church", nor could she even if she wanted to, being as she was around for 63 years before there was any such thing AS any SBC anything. We do voluntarily "align ourselves with the SBC", for several purposes, and have done so since the earliest days of the SBC's existence.

Those who have had her behind the pulpit have that right as being independent and not to be controlled by any association.

"Mob rules" in the SBC.:laugh:

Not so, Salamander. Every "SBC aligned" church is an independent Baptist congregation, affiliating only by mutual choice with any Association, 'State convention', SBC, and/or any other ecclesiastical group or organization. In fact, only a few 'denominational' entities, such as six Seminaries, Lifeway, Mission Boards, and other entities wholly 'owned' "by the SBC" are truly "SBC". My own church affiliates with a 'State convention' and the SBC, but does not currently formally affiliate with any local Baptist Association, although we often work with various other Baptist churches in the area in varied endeavors.

There is no such thing as an "SBC owned church", even if some members of any given church may happen to be 'owned'.

As far as having Dr. Gail A. Riplinger speaking in a church is concerned, I guess any "SBC church", just as any other Baptist church, of any flavor, could choose to do so at their discretion.

That is hardly '"Mob rules" in the SBC'.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Salamander, you need to remember for many here what the SBC has to say has been irrelevant since the 1830s, yes the eighteen thirties.

You might wanna' recheck your history a bit there, Squire Robertsson. There was no such thing as the SBC in "the 1830s, yes the eighteen thirties".

The Southern Baptist Convention was not even founded until May, 1845.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

For many in the SBC what the Convention as a whole has to say is irrelevant.

Personally, I would not say that anything "the Convention as a whole has to say is irrelevant," but it is certainly not "binding" in any way upon any SBC church or member of such a church. Some things whether "relevant" or not, however may be completely "binding" on a 'denominational worker', missionary, or any other such official of the SBC, however.

Ed

 

[Squire Robertsson]

You might wanna' recheck your history a bit there, Squire Robertsson. There was no such thing as the SBC in "the 1830s, yes the eighteen thirties".

The Southern Baptist Convention was not even founded until May, 1845.

Ed

Ed, I'm a Northern Baptist. By the 1830s, I mean the break up of the Triennial Covention. Call it 1843 when

northern Baptist churches organized a separate mission society in opposition to slavery. Wikipedia

Six or seven years either way is irrelavent to this thread. My point is many here do not look to the SBC as the Mother or even Grandmother "church."

 

[Salamander]

So tell me and anyone else interested....WHEN and WHERE is this command to women TO BE OBSERVED?

You make it clear your objections to the traditional view in fundie circles...but with your criticism is the absence of WHEN and WHERE it is TO BE OBSERVED?

I look forward to your detailed response.:thumbs:

As Paul was instructing Timothy in the order of service and how the behaviour of all saints was to be conducted in those services.

I suppose many will attempt to instruct inside the privacy of the members homes but wouldn't that be much like trying to lord over God's inheritance???

But of course it's the order of service the women are to be in silence and they are to learn with all subjection in the home from their husbands in spiritual matters. Of course most men learn proper hygeine in the home from, if not their mother, from their spouse.:thumbsup:

 

[Salamander]

Personally, I would not say that anything "the Convention as a whole has to say is irrelevant," but it is certainly not "binding" in any way upon any SBC church or member of such a church. Some things whether "relevant" or not, however may be completely "binding" on a 'denominational worker', missionary, or any other such official of the SBC, however.

Ed

My experiences with SBC pastors is if you don't hold to what they demand they will disfellowship you. But that is the mainstay in many church affiliations, it's just sad when Christians attempt the influence the fellowship of believers in such a way, it makes things more like a social club run by a mob than anything else.

 

[Salamander]

I take it you are not going to answer my question?

I take it you won't answer your own question by asking yourself what it means for a woman to learn in silence and where it is she is to learn and not to be outspoken.

The answer is in the Scripture.raying:

 

[Salamander]

We finally agree.. . On Hyles, and I remember my dad using the Douey..(I think that's how you spell it) leading my uncle to Christ...

YOu may say you are KJVO.. but I think you are more like me... KJVP... with this new revelation!!!

Oh, no. I am word of God only.

 

[Salamander]

The non-response is telling.

Yes, it is, telling that patience is still a virtue not excersized by most of today's Christians.

I'm sorry, brother, but I have a life beyond BB and my computer. It's call doing a work for God, try it more often, it'll help others to know Jesus rather than know what we believe.

 

[Salamander]

Salamander, you need to remember for many here what the SBC has to say has been irrelevant since the 1830s, yes the eighteen thirties.

Thank you, Squire, for the perfect admomnition.

Ever asince I got saved and found out how the SBC does missions I haven't even been bothered about much of anything from them, except the way they handle money given to missions that is.

 

[Salamander]

Nice to see that you are an authority on all things SBC. But of course, no pride there.

There is no wholesale, co-ordinated attacking of the Bible by SBC...but hey, no since in letting the truth get in the way of a good attack.

Brother, have you ever considerd that most people ignore what others say who are always sarcastic have to say?

I am no authority except where the Lord has me in that position, but I do have the authority of the word of God in all matters concerning life and the practices of worship.

You seem to want to keep guessing, or at the least, excercising sarcasm.:love2:

 

[Salamander]

For the benefit of tinytim and Salamander, the version is properly known as the Douai-Reims or Reims-Douai Bible (or version). It is very often 'Anglicized' as Douay-Rheims. I personally 'Anglicize' the word "Rheims", for that is the way I learned of it many years ago, even if that is improper.

Ed

For the benefit of Ed, it was "The Douay" printed on the cover.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Yes, it is, telling that patience is still a virtue not excersized by most of today's Christians.

I'm sorry, brother, but I have a life beyond BB and my computer. It's call doing a work for God, try it more often, it'll help others to know Jesus rather than know what we believe.

This is all well and good. However, what is your answer to AQ's question?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Thank you, Squire, for the perfect admonition.

Ever asince I got saved and found out how the SBC does missions I haven't even been bothered about much of anything from them, except the way they handle money given to missions that is.

Salamander, I wouldn't be so quick to assume I'm on your side in this matter. In this case, it comes down to a decision made back in the 1830s and 40s by some of the brethren:

A Baptist Church cannot be represented.

 

[tinytim]

Oh, no. I am word of God only.

Again, I am a WOGO also!!! Wow, we agree again!! I don't read the Quaran, book of Mormon, or the Talmud....

BTW, I like that acronym... WOGO.....
Sounds like the sound you make if you are undecided and riding a horse!!!

WOGO...WOGO..WOGO...WOGO...

The horse must really be confused....

 

[rbell]

Brother, have you ever considerd that most people ignore what others say who are always sarcastic have to say?

I am no authority except where the Lord has me in that position, but I do have the authority of the word of God in all matters concerning life and the practices of worship.

You seem to want to keep guessing, or at the least, excercising sarcasm.:love2:

Better to be "ignored" than "edited" for personal attacks. I'll lay claim to the former, as you keep many mods busy with a firm hold on the latter.

I was chastising you for your unwarranted and overgeneralized attack on the SBC. You do have brothers and sisters in the Lord that belong to SBC churches. You did know that, didn't you?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If Bro Sal truly believes that women can teach men Bible and doctrinal truth any time outside of a regularly scheduled church service than his view would allow Riplinger to do so.

Thats really pretty simple - but would run contrary to the view of most IFB churches that I am aware of.

IN fact, this is the first time I have been exposed to this teaching.

 

[Mexdeaf]

My experiences with SBC pastors is if you don't hold to what they demand they will disfellowship you. But that is the mainstay in many church affiliations, it's just sad when Christians attempt the influence the fellowship of believers in such a way, it makes things more like a social club run by a mob than anything else.

My experience with Independent Baptist pastors is if you don't hold to what they demand they will disfellowship you. But that is the mainstay in many church affiliations, it's just sad when Christians attempt the influence the fellowship of believers in such a way, it makes things more like a social club run by a mob than anything else. Whether the 'mob' be the SOTL, SWBF, BBF or any other group.