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Gabbard Third Party Run Hurt Trump More Than The Dems

kyredneck

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Was Hillary’s Attack on Tulsi Gabbard Part of a Plot to Destroy Trump?

"...The NOQ Report’s J.D. Rucker correctly points out that, contrary to conventional wisdom, Gabbard would draw far more votes from Trump than the Dems. As he explains:

If Gabbard ran, she’d do so by positioning herself as the common sense choice against an “extremist” on the right in President Trump and a “radical” on the left in Elizabeth Warren or whoever wins the nomination.


Sad reality: There are more Democrats in this country than Republicans. The electoral college [sic] degrades this advantage a bit, but if there were no Independents, Democrats would win most elections. If we assume Gabbard will pull mostly from Libertarians and Independents, then that’s an advantage for Democrats. There is no way for the President to win if he doesn’t get the votes of a majority of Independents.

Rucker nails it. Gabbard could appeal to many “undecideds” in the confused middle.

Moreover, the Democrats and their PR team, the mainstream media, would facilitate this by painting Gabbard not only as of a kind with Trump in “doing Putin’s bidding” and retreating from Syria, but as a closet conservative “never really at home in the Democrat Party.” This wouldn’t be hard given the congresswoman’s past positions and the media’s ability to shape narratives. They’d simply pick up on Jacobin magazine’s 2017 warning to “progressives” that “Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Your Friend.”

Note: This wouldn’t serve to convince most people that she’s actually a “conservative,” but that the “truth” lies between the Democrat and GOP claims — she’s a centrist. Besides, she’d appear another “outsider” alternative to Trump.

Rucker adds that since Gabbard has little money and would need a party behind her, a likely choice is the Libertarians, the country’s third largest party. With a little “tweaking” of her policies she could pass muster, Rucker says, and with a current or former Republican such as ex-congressman Justin Amash for balance, the ticket would appeal to many.

Is Gabbard Already Signaling a Third Party Run?

So, what if Clinton &Co’s goal is to attack Gabbard and alienate and anger her to the point where she does leave the Democrats and run third party? Oh, I’m not saying Clinton is smart enough to have planned this on her own, but that Bill and other crafty figures in her orbit are. But then there’s the kicker:

What if Gabbard is aware of this plot and is either an explicit or, more likely, a wink-and-nod participant?

Either way, the congresswoman may be signaling third-party intent. It’s not just her stated disgust with the Democrats but this: “I'm fully committed to my offer to serve you, the people of Hawaii & America, as your President & Commander-in-Chief,” she tweeted last week. “So I will not be seeking reelection to Congress in 2020.”

In other words, she’s going “all in.” But why? Does she seriously believe she can win the nomination in today’s far left, “woke” Democrat Party? Or does she have another agenda?

Whatever the truth, if Gabbard altered her views — in this case to facilitate third-party ambitions — it wouldn’t be the first time. The congresswoman used to be pro-life, pro-marriage (meaning, one man/one woman) and opposed the special privileges some people call “gay rights.” What changed?

Gabbard says her two Mideast tours of duty caused an epiphany. “I began to realize that the positions I had held previously regarding the issues of choice and gay marriage were rooted in the same premise held by those in power in the oppressive Middle East regimes I saw,” she wrote — “that it is government's role to define and enforce our personal morality.”

Uh, okay. But this flash of insight just so happened to coincide with her desire to win a congressional seat in über-liberal Hawaii. And her transformation suggests three possibilities:

  • Gabbard is hardly a thinker and never had principles, only preferences. Her comment’s conclusion is the equivalent of, and is as relativistically nonsensical, as speaking of “personal truth.” If it’s personal, it’s not morality. It then has a different name: taste. (Moreover, all just law reflects morality and is thus “religious,” as I explain here and here.)
  • Gabbard, power-prostitute style, never had principles and will say anything to get elected (conservative suckers for pretty faces, take note).
  • Both of the above.
All this said and in accordance with Occam’s razor, I freely admit that my third-party-plot theory isn’t the most likely explanation here. Leftists are emotion-driven creatures, and Hell hath no fury like a Hillary scorned. So maybe Clinton’s bitterness was again showing. It’s also true that Gabbard claims to have dismissed running third party.

But she has flip-flopped before. Moreover, all the attention such an effort would bring — the media could want to maximize this “centrist’s” exposure — may appeal to Gabbard’s vanity. And, oh, harking back to Rucker’s Libertarian Party theory, note that the congresswoman’s not-“government's role to define and enforce our personal morality” line is right out of libertarians’ playbook. She’s not exactly an odd fit.

What I am quite convinced of is that a Gabbard third-party run would hurt Trump and that, as the Russia and Ukraine cons evidence, such a scheme would not be an odd fit for the Democrats."
 

church mouse guy

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What do you think will happen, Kentucky? I really don't know. Biden is creepy, smelling peoples hair and scamming everybody to enrich his family. And then there is Warren who has been caught in a bunch of stupid lies and is about as likable as Hillary. And the old commie Sanders, not really a Dem but an Independent, says we should not have anything to do with Israel but does not seem to be in a big hurry to rip the Israeli stents out of his little heart--he is a mean old man like Stalin. And then Hillary is threatening to run again but she has gained about 50 pounds and she would be more likely to just waddle, and even Dems are tired of her. I don't think it matters who the Dems nominate, Trump will win but I can't do the math on a third party so tell me what you think will happen.
 

kyredneck

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What do you think will happen, Kentucky? I really don't know.

Lol, what do I know?!? I post articles that I generally agree with or see some value in passing along to others.

What I want is for Trump to have another five years in office. I don't think impeachment will stop him from getting reelected but a third party run by Gabbard could do it.

We should follow Pence's recent advice, 'Americans should spend more time on their knees and less time on the internet'.
 

church mouse guy

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Lol, what do I know?!? I post articles that I generally agree with or see some value in passing along to others.

What I want is for Trump to have another five years in office. I don't think impeachment will stop him from getting reelected but a third party run by Gabbard could do it.

We should follow Pence's recent advice, 'Americans should spend more time on their knees and less time on the internet'.

I used to be a Pence fan decades ago. I will say one thing for him--he doesn't go around putting his hands all over little girls and smelling women's hair in public at formal events and he does not put his hand out for money for his kids ever either. Was watching Daniel Greenfield from Front Page Magazine and he called Biden a creep. Of course, I am going to vote for Trump. I got both a tax cut and a very nice raise. And I'm on borrowed time.

 

church mouse guy

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The possibilities of her doing this are pretty large, imo. She has lost popularity in her home district, & is not running for re-election there. She’s gonna do something, right?!

Found this site today, looks good so far. Real-time Uncensored News - Politics, Security, War, Terrorism and Stupidity - BadBlue 24x7 News Feed

Oh, I found Bad Blue once before. It is okay. I use What Finger if I am looking for hard news. I dislike Drudge anymore. Drudge had a radio show on Sunday nights years ago about 2003 or 2004. It was no good. He gave it up and eventually Bill Cunningham in Cincinnati got it and I started listening to Cunningham here on Indianapolis radio about five years ago. Cunningham was the biggest high school basketball star in the Cincinnati area when he was young. He is about 70 now and is a lawyer married to a judge. He is up from poverty and a red hot Republican. Incidentally, he says that he was born in Covington, KY, across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. If you ask me, and Indianapolis people like to visit both Louisville and Cincinnati and vice versa, Cincinnati has been helped a great deal by the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum as that part of Kentucky where the airport is is building new hotels and restaurants right and left.

As for Gabbard, I am stumped by that one. Maybe she will run as a Libertarian....
 

Wingman68

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Oh, I found Bad Blue once before. It is okay. I use What Finger if I am looking for hard news. I dislike Drudge anymore. Drudge had a radio show on Sunday nights years ago about 2003 or 2004. It was no good. He gave it up and eventually Bill Cunningham in Cincinnati got it and I started listening to Cunningham here on Indianapolis radio about five years ago. Cunningham was the biggest high school basketball star in the Cincinnati area when he was young. He is about 70 now and is a lawyer married to a judge. He is up from poverty and a red hot Republican. Incidentally, he says that he was born in Covington, KY, across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. If you ask me, and Indianapolis people like to visit both Louisville and Cincinnati and vice versa, Cincinnati has been helped a great deal by the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum as that part of Kentucky where the airport is is building new hotels and restaurants right and left.

As for Gabbard, I am stumped by that one. Maybe she will run as a Libertarian....
Yeah, my go to is the great awakening, & citizen free press. Drudge has been dead to me for several years, I think he was bought out in more ways than one.
 

Wingman68

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Oh, I found Bad Blue once before. It is okay. I use What Finger if I am looking for hard news. I dislike Drudge anymore. Drudge had a radio show on Sunday nights years ago about 2003 or 2004. It was no good. He gave it up and eventually Bill Cunningham in Cincinnati got it and I started listening to Cunningham here on Indianapolis radio about five years ago. Cunningham was the biggest high school basketball star in the Cincinnati area when he was young. He is about 70 now and is a lawyer married to a judge. He is up from poverty and a red hot Republican. Incidentally, he says that he was born in Covington, KY, across the Ohio River from Cincinnati. If you ask me, and Indianapolis people like to visit both Louisville and Cincinnati and vice versa, Cincinnati has been helped a great deal by the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum as that part of Kentucky where the airport is is building new hotels and restaurants right and left.

As for Gabbard, I am stumped by that one. Maybe she will run as a Libertarian....
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robycop3

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Blarney is an indy seeking the Dem nomination, & if he doesn't get it, He'd pull his share of Dem voters. If Gabbard also runs as an indy, things could get ver-ry interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say. That'd likely help Trump, especially as a reasonable number of indies & Dems will vote for him anyway, fearing the massive tax hikes offered by the "mainstream" Dems. (Mostly liberal candidates.)

Right now, the leading Dem candidates are helping Trump with their massive tax-n-spend plans, but a Gabbard indy run could throw a monkey wrench in all their plans, including Trump's.
 

Bro. Curtis

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I don’t believe she’ll find the funding for a third-party run. She’s an old-school Democrat and America rejected the heck out of that last time. She might have a presidential run in the future but this won’t be her year.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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I don’t believe she’ll find the funding for a third-party run. She’s an old-school Democrat and America rejected the heck out of that last time. She might have a presidential run in the future but this won’t be her year.
I would disagree that she is an old school Democrat. She is just less socialist and liberal than the other kooks.

I like Jim Webb and Joe Manchin, which are more like old school dems, but their abortion stances still turn me off. My whole family used to be union, blue collar conservative dems. They're now almost all independents or republicans. My grandpa was a Reagan Democrat, which was when the family started to turn. Obama forced the remaining democrats in the family into the reluctant Republican camp. Then Trump came along and they became excited Republicans.

Jim Webb, the Democrat I respect, has a good book "Born Fighting" about the Scots-Irish.
 
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