Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law

[targus]

Case closed.

Well, that is that then.

Moderator please close this thread. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[carpro]

The propsed Arizona law specifically tells Hawaii what must be on their birth certificates. This is clearly being done specifically on the basis of one case.

I would not have an issue if the state simply required a prospective candidate to prove his national born citizenship. If President Obama's passport list his place of birth as USA both his home state and the federal government recognise that he was born in the US.

Case closed.

What the federal government thinks it knows or doesn't know doesn't matter at all. They don't verify the authenticity of birth certificates.

But the states can if they want to. It's their right. You do believe in states rights, don't you?

Methinks you may just be afraid Mr. Obama can't provide a valid birth certificate.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So what happens if the official state checker refuses to validate a candidate with a legitimate birth certificate because he does hates the candidate?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If this law passes I could not get on the ballot in Arizona. According to the link in the OP it requires the doctor's signature plus two witnesses. My Alaska birth certificate only has the doctor and one attending nurse.

So can Arizona dictate that I don't meet the requirement to be a natural born citizen in their state?

If so, where is this going to lead with state after state adding new proof requirements?

 

[targus]

If this law passes I could not get on the ballot in Arizona. According to the link in the OP it requires the doctor's signature plus two witnesses. My Alaska birth certificate only has the doctor and one attending nurse.

So can Arizona dictate that I don't meet the requirement to be a natural born citizen in their state?

If so, where is this going to lead with state after state adding new proof requirements?

Your parents didn't sign?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Apparently Alaska did not require it. No room for their signatures. Besides, dads were not normally in the room hack then.

 

[KenH]

And if a candidate fails to prove eligibility - why would you want to allow them to be on the ballot?

I wouldn't.

 

[KenH]

Why would any state refuse to place him on the ballot?

If a candidate fails to meet a state's requirements then the state should not place that candidate on its ballot.

Now the U.S. Supreme Court might weigh in on the whether or not a particular state's requirements pass constitutional muster and force a particular state to change its requirements.

 

[Salty]

Apparently Alaska did not require it. No room for their signatures. Besides, dads were not normally in the room hack then.

Thats right - before 1920, dads could not be in the delivery room! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[carpro]

Originally Posted by carpro
Why would any state refuse to place him on the ballot?

If a candidate fails to meet a state's requirements then the state should not place that candidate on its ballot.

Now the U.S. Supreme Court might weigh in on the whether or not a particular state's requirements pass constitutional muster and force a particular state to change its requirements.

OK Ken. I get it.

You don't want to answer.

No problem.

 

[KenH]

If Barack Obama does not meet a state's ballot eligibility requirements in 2012 then he should not be on that state's ballot.

Also, if I was under oath and was asked if I believe that Barack Obama meets the constitutional citizenship requirement to be president I would have to say that I do not know. A lot of legitimate questions have been raised on this board and elsewhere that need to cleared up by President Obama.


Now, does that satisfy you, carpro?

 

[targus]

Also, if I was under oath and was asked if I believe that Barack Obama meets the constitutional citizenship requirement to be president I would have to say that I do not know. A lot of legitimate questions have been raised on this board and elsewhere that need to cleared up by President Obama.

KenH - you crazy birther !!! :laugh: :laugh: :smilewinkgrin:

 

[KenH]

Hey, even Chris Matthews has said that the president needs to clear this matter up.

 

[Dragoon68]

Unless I'm mistaken, I had to provide a copy of my birth certificate to attend grade school, attend college, serve in the military, get a security clearance, get my occupational licenses, get married, get at least one driver license, etc. and every time it had to be a certified copy of the original as filed in home State showing all the original information - not a computer generated certified extract of only limited information. Some bureaucrat will probably demand one from my survivors when I kick the bucket! I know the documentation today is a little different today but not 40 plus years ago. Obama may truly have been born in the USA - I don't know one way or the other - but it bothers me more and more that he won't or can't provide the same quality documentation that I've had to provide all my life. I can't help but wonder why that is necessary - what's to hide?

 

[Salty]

Unless I'm mistaken, I had to provide a copy of my birth certificate to attend grade school, attend college, serve in the military, get a security clearance, get my occupational licenses, get married, get at least one driver license, etc. and every time it had to be a certified copy of the original ...

Dragon, you are missing the point - all the things you listed are very important activities - for which a certified copy would be required.

With Obama, we are only talking about being President of the United States - you know - no big deal. Now do you understand?

 

[Dragoon68]

Dragon, you are missing the point - all the things you listed are very important activities - for which a certified copy would be required.

With Obama, we are only talking about being President of the United States - you know - no big deal. Now do you understand?

Of course! The common folk have to abide by higher standards!

 

[carpro]

If Barack Obama does not meet a state's ballot eligibility requirements in 2012 then he should not be on that state's ballot.

Also, if I was under oath and was asked if I believe that Barack Obama meets the constitutional citizenship requirement to be president I would have to say that I do not know. A lot of legitimate questions have been raised on this board and elsewhere that need to cleared up by President Obama.


Now, does that satisfy you, carpro?

Fair enough.

what took you so long?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

My own problem with this proposal is not that states require evidence of qualification before a candidate for president can be put on the ballot. Every state has the right to require that, and I think it might be a good idea.

The problem is having states decide what that evidence might be when every state has differences in their certifying of births. My view is that every state ought to recognise the right of other states to certify births in the state according to their standards. These laws appear to take the onus off of the candidate and on to the state to provide satisfactory evidence on their style of birth certificates.

The law could be as simple as this - 'Any candidate desiring to be listed on the state's ballot for president must provide evidence of his/her status as a natural born citizen.'

 

[Salty]

...The law could be as simple as this - 'Any candidate desiring to be listed on the state's ballot for president must provide evidence of his status as a natural born citizen.'

That could be left up to interpretation as to what would be accepted as evidence. Suppose the mother said, "Well, its right here in our family Bible"... How about a newspaper article - actually, there was one for BO- would that be sufficient?

 

[FR7 Baptist]

That could be left up to interpretation as to what would be accepted as evidence. Suppose the mother said, "Well, its right here in our family Bible"... How about a newspaper article - actually, there was one for BO- would that be sufficient?

Salty, by law, Obama's birth certificate prima facie proof of his birth in Hawaii.