Gay Pastors?

[Repent-or-Burn]

"6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

Hey, thanks Annsni!

 

[righteousdude2]

The Word is Clear

Paul, are you telling me that we treat unmarried heterosexuals the same way?
There is no difference. You and I both have Inclinations / Desires to sin. If you deny that, you are a better man than Paul and John.

If he does not lust, if he does not engage in his temptation, then there's no real difference than if he were heterosexual, which he could then lust after women who were not his wife.

Let's castrate them both.

It doesn't matter what you think I think about the subject. What does matter is the Word of God, and the Word clearly denounces homosexuals.

 

[righteousdude2]

Are You Just Supporting the Right to be Gay, OR....

Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

To this:
"Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me."
I reply,
Mat 26:9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
Mat 26:10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
Mat 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

[personal attack snipped]

 

[Johnv]

The Word clearly denounces all sinners, not just homosexuals. But in regards to the thread, I see no way from scripture that a person who openly and unreprentently engages in acts of fornication can qualify as a pastor.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

The Word clearly denounces all sinners, not just homosexuals. But in regards to the thread, I see no way from scripture that a person who openly and unreprentently engages in acts of fornication can qualify as a pastor.

Amen.........:thumbs:

 

[webdog]

personal attack deleted

Completely out of line, and a personal attack which violates BB rules and is also a sin.

 

[DHK]

Hello Everyone,

I am curious if anybody would accept a Pastor who was gay? Specifically a person who is gay but does not participate in that lifestyle because of what the Bible says.

No.
1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
--A gay person is not blameless in his life. He would bring great reproach upon the church, upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. His life is not without blame. He is disqualified immediately, before even getting to the qualifications concerning his wife and marriage.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Homosexuality is the result of a reprobate mind.

Having many conversations on this issue I wonder about the possibility of this.

Let's say for the sake of argument gays are born they way they are.

There is no conjecture here. It just isn't the case. Homosexuality is a choice. There is no medical evidence anywhere that any person is born a homosexual. It is pseudo-science that presents such a case. It isn't so; and the Bible presents it as a choice, a sin; even as the Bible presents fornication and adultery as a sin. They are all sins of immorality. They are all choices that a person makes.

God gives various challenges to mankind. Possibly, this is a way to see if one can control their lusts. That while one is attracted to the same sex, they fight their desires and find love through friendship and family, avoiding temptation.

Every person fights temptation. Look at what Jesus said concerning adultery:

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
--That is why pornography is wrong. However it has a much broader scope than that. How many men have lusted after any girl walking down the street?

Would any be opposed to a Gay Pastor who was celibate?

Absolutely.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 3:1-3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,...
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

We are in the last days.

 

[webdog]

I do disagree...I see this as referring to polygamous...

This is descriptive here, rather than prescriptive.

Just MHO.

But back to the OP...no, a homosexual cannot be a minister.

Are these also descriptive as opposed to presecriptive?
blameless, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

How is it different if it is in fact descriptive rather than presecriptive?

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

immature comments deleted.

Very immature.

 

[Dale-c]

It is sad that anyone would even think about this as being debatable. But we should not shy away from the discussion since it is sadly something that we must deal with these days.

My answer is an absolute no by the way.

Would you (speaking to men only here) sit under the preaching of a man who was physically attracted to you? I didn't think so.

Need I say more?

 

[Johnv]

Would you (speaking to men only here) sit under the preaching of a man who was physically attracted to you? I didn't think so.

That in and of itself isn't reason to oppose a gay man as a pastor. First of all, if a gay man is attracted to me, he's got poor taste in men. Second, it's not more reason than asking a woman if she would sit under the preaching of a man who was physically attracted to her.

The reason to oppose it is simple. There is nothing in Scripture permits a person who openly and unreprentently engaging in acts of fornication to qualify as a pastor.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

" There is nothing in Scripture permits a person who openly and unreprentently engaging in acts of fornication to qualify as a pastor."

Yes, but the OP specifically said, if he does not PRACTICE.

 

[JMSR]

If a man even has the slightest inkling that he might be gay, whether or not he ever acts on it, he has no business behind a pulpit.

 

[Johnv]

" There is nothing in Scripture permits a person who openly and unreprentently engaging in acts of fornication to qualify as a pastor."

Yes, but the OP specifically said, if he does not PRACTICE.

Like I said before, if a person was once engaged in fornication, but decided that it's wrong, and abstains from it thereafter, then I have no problem with it.

 

[Alive in Christ]

"I am curious if anybody would accept a Pastor who was gay?"

Practicing? No. Of course not.

"Specifically a person who is gay but does not participate in that lifestyle because of what the Bible says."

X-gay who has been delivered? Sure. No problem there.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

If a man even has the slightest inkling that he might be gay, whether or not he ever acts on it, he has no business behind a pulpit.

JSMR, the problem is that you are responding to the culture.
If a man has a 'slight inkling' that he may be attracted to men, but is not acting on that and is a man married to a good woman.. Then, there is nothing in scripture to stop him from being in the pulpit, any more than that he has a slight inkling that he may be a proud man, or any other sin.

 

[Johnv]

If a man even has the slightest inkling that he might be gay, whether or not he ever acts on it, he has no business behind a pulpit.

I disagree. That's like asking a heterosexual male that if he has the slightest inkling to have sex with a woman to whom he's not married, then he has no business in the pulpit.

A mature man will accept that he will have those thoughts, and turn his mind from them when they enter his mind. A man who pretends never to have those thoughts is a fool.

 

[Repent-or-Burn]

I disagree. That's like asking a heterosexual male that if he has the slightest inkling to have sex with a woman to whom he's not married, then he has no business in the pulpit.

A mature man will accept that he will have those thoughts, and turn his mind from them when they enter his mind. A man who pretends never to have those thoughts is a fool.

:thumbsup:

 

[JMSR]

Aren't pastors 'supposed' to be pure of heart? I know we're all sinners but we're not all supposed to be pastors either.

 

[Johnv]

Aren't pastors 'supposed' to be pure of heart?

Being pure of heart does not mean birds won't fly over your head. Pure of heart means that birds won't nest in your hair.