Genesis 1:26

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I was reading my bible this morning and in Genesis 1:26 (Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.....). Us, Our ?!? Huh.....is it my bible NIV or what?

 

[rlvaughn]

Pretty much in every English Bible you will find:
Genesis 1:26 - Bible Gateway

 

[Deacon]

I was reading my bible this morning and in Genesis 1:26 (Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.....). Us, Our ?!? Huh.....is it my bible NIV or what?

OPTIONS:

1) Echo's of the Trinity
2) Royal Plural
3) God was speaking to the Divine Council (Ps 82:1; 89:5-7)​

Rob

 

[rsr]

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/Elohim.pdf

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

OPTIONS:

1) Echo's of the Trinity
2) Royal Plural
3) God was speaking to the Divine Council (Ps 82:1; 89:5-7)​

Rob

I like door number 1.

 

[JonC]

I like door number 1.

I think I'll take all three.

 

[rsr]

Though 1. is probably the least likely. Christians like to seize upon the apparently plural form of Elohim to make a case for the Trinity, but this is, at best, an anachronism, i.e., reading something into the text based on later revelation.

 

[rlvaughn]

The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges at BibleHub refers to 6 explanations that have been given by various people for various reasons:

i. The 1st person plural is a reference to the Trinity.
ii. A relic of polytheism.
iii. The plural of Majesty.
iv.The “plural of the fulness of attributes and powers.”
v. The plural of Deliberation.
vi. That God is here addressing the inhabitants of heaven.

 

[HankD]

Though 1. is probably the least likely. Christians like to seize upon the apparently plural form of Elohim to make a case for the Trinity, but this is, at best, an anachronism, i.e., reading something into the text based on later revelation.

How much Hebrew have you had - Formal and/or private study?

IMO you are wrong in your assessment.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think I'll take all three.

Somehow I knew you would brother. I agree!

 

[rsr]

How much Hebrew have you had - Formal and/or private study?HankD

Point taken. One man's anachronism is another man's progressive revelation.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Point taken. One man's anachronism is another man's progressive revelation.

Is this whats called "Paradox?" I'm fairly certain our resident grammar teacher & NIV translation enthusiast could shed light on this topic.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How much Hebrew have you had - Formal and/or private study?

IMO you are wrong in your assessment.

HankD

I was trained by a Conservative Rabbi........I could of had a Bar Mitzvah (Irving)

 

[HankD]

I was trained by a Conservative Rabbi........I could of had a Bar Mitzvah (Irving)

And you sell bridges in Brooklyn?

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And you sell bridges in Brooklyn?

HankD

No, I steal dead peoples body parts for profit down in South Jersey. Then I go to temple on Sabbath, cover myself in a prayer shawl & yami &Tefillin (Ashkenazi Version).... Thanking G-D that there are so many stupid goyim to take advantage of.

 

[HankD]

No, I steal dead peoples body parts for profit down in South Jersey. Then I go to temple on Sabbath, cover myself in a prayer shawl & yami &Tefillin (Ashkenazi Version).... Thanking G-D that there are so many stupid goyim to take advantage of.

Hey, I have a Jewish mother so that makes me a Jew by heritage.
My father is second generation Italian so be careful what you say I have connections.

HankD

 

[rsr]

How much Hebrew have you had - Formal and/or private study?

IMO you are wrong in your assessment.

HankD

Nonetheless, I do know how to read the literature on the topic, which is extensive. The literature is replete with examples of those who reject Elohim as verifying the Trinity. Folks like Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, Calvin, Luther and Gill, for example.

You can thank Peter Lombard for popularizing the Elohim-equals-Trinity view.

I admit I may be wrong. But I cannot think, from reading the literature, that it is a slam dunk that Elohim or "let us" prove a plurality in the godhead.

 

[HankD]

Nonetheless, I do know how to read the literature on the topic, which is extensive. The literature is replete with examples of those who reject Elohim as verifying the Trinity. Folks like Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, Calvin, Luther and Gill, for example.

You can thank Peter Lombard for popularizing the Elohim-equals-Trinity view.

I admit I may be wrong. But I cannot think, from reading the literature, that it is a slam dunk that Elohim or "let us" prove a plurality in the godhead.

It is a slam dunk, your sources are wrong, you are indeed wrong.

HankD

p.s. FWIW You may not hear from me for a while, I am flying across the USA.

I will be using an airplane.

 

[rsr]

It is a slam dunk, your sources are wrong, you are indeed wrong.

I always appreciate humility in one's beliefs that are not crystal clear in the Scriptures. I would say I'm surprised at your attitude, but that would be a lie.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hey, I have a Jewish mother so that makes me a Jew by heritage.
My father is second generation Italian so be careful what you say I have connections.

HankD

So do I.......so whats your point? You do know that that scenario played out in South jersey about 2 years ago. The feds nailed a Rabbi & his tribe for it.