Genesis 3:22, fallen man, sinless man Christ

[Alan Dale Gross]

The Scripture evidence of Adam's Salvation is that he is a type of Christ, as the Bible states that he "is".

"Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come."

Paul is telling us that Adam brought death by sin to even those who had no sin imputed to them and you see Adam as the type of Christ?

Your Question:

Oh boy, what's wrong with that?

Answer: You can't read.

And, perhaps you have an ulterior motive?, for 'not being able to read'?

You can't associate with some System of Theology?,

That's Covenant Theology for you!

and that is enough motivation for you to skew what you see on the page of The Bible so much, you don't even know how to read what's there, in black and white English?

Try starting with a noun and a verb and then, trying to see if they have an association with one another, in Romans 5:14c;

"Adam" is a Proper noun.

"is" is the verb associated with it.

So, that looks like it is trying to tell us that "Adam" "is" something.

ARE U with me, so far?


Bible:
"Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come."

I wonder how we could find out about what it might be trying to say that "Adam" "is"?

DUNNO. BEATS ME.

No way of knowing, I guess.

Maybe!!!!!! It doesn't even say anything.

There you go; go with that one.

It's over just like that.

You think?


I'll have to keep watching for all of those and see what I think, then.

I know for sure, I can't talk to or argue with what amounts to you simply rewriting The Bible with your own words, like, "Adam, who is Not a type of the One (Jesus Christ) Who was to Come".

Guess again.

No like.

 

[Charlie24]

Your Question:


Answer: You can't read.

And, perhaps you have an ulterior motive?, for 'not being able to read'?

You can't associate with some System of Theology?,

and that is enough motivation for you to skew what you see on the page of The Bible so much, you don't even know how to read what's there, in black and white English?

Try starting with a noun and a verb and then, trying to see if they have an association with one another, in Romans 5:14c;

"Adam" is a Proper noun.

"is" is the verb associated with it.

So, that looks like it is trying to tell us that "Adam" "is" something.

ARE U with me, so far?


Bible:
"Adam, who is a type of the one who was to come."

I wonder how we could find out about what it might be trying to say that "Adam" "is"?

DUNNO. BEATS ME.

No way of knowing, I guess.

Maybe!!!!!! It doesn't even say anything.

There you go; go with that one.

It's over just like that.

You think?


I'll have to keep watching for all of those and see what I think, then.

I know for sure, I can't talk to or argue with what amounts to you simply rewriting The Bible with your own words, like, "Adam, who is Not a type of the One (Jesus Christ) Who was to Come".

Guess again.

No like.

Adam is a type of Christ! But not in similarity or righteousness. That was my point.

The figure/type is this.

ONE MAN brought death by sin into the world. Adam

ONE MAN brought redemption and life into the world. Jesus Christ.

I'm hoping you're picking up what I'm putting down!

 

[JonC]

Genesis 3:22, And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . .

Romans 8:3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: . . .

Hebrews 4:15, For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Luke 18:19, And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

The issue is of the possession of the divine knowledge of good and evil.


It's knowledge of evil is the cause of the sin nature in mankindm.

The Son of God was always God having His divine knowledge.

Good points.

Paul makes the same comparison with the Law.

 

[kyredneck]

Adam was clothed with garments provided by God Himself, as emblems of Justification and Salvation by Jesus,

Bingo! The blood was shed to provide those skins.

 

[Charlie24]

Bingo! The blood was shed to provide those skins.

Nope, that is not correct in the case of Adam and Eve.

The Blood was only applied by repentance of those sins.

They were naked and now needed clothing after the reality of sin.

Physically they were clothed with the skins, but spiritually they were not clothed without repentance.

There is no evidence whatsoever that they repented.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

you see Adam as the type of Christ?

Oh boy, what's wrong with that?

Nothing, unless there is something wrong with the Bible verse that says that Adam is a type of Christ.

"Adam, who is a type of the One Who was to Come."

The figure/type that Paul is speaking of is that Adam brought "death by sin"

I'm glad you think you know something about Adam having a relationship to "death by sin", but it isn't what The Bible exclusively says that he is a type of.

The Bible says Adam is a type of Jesus Christ.

"Adam, who is a type of the One Who was to Come."

Adam is a type of Christ, as we see here, in these different ways;

1.) as to his soul, which was Created in Righteousness and Holiness, in Wisdom and Knowledge,

2a.) and Adam was like Jesus as a type of Christ, a figure of Him that was to Come; especially in his being a Federal Head to his posterity and 2b.) Adam's Government he had over all the creatures:

3.) and in his offices of Prophet, 4.) Priest, 5.) and King;

6.) and where Adam was Created in Knowledge, after the Image of Him that Created him,

7.) and by having the law of God inscribed on his heart, he knew what was good and to be done, and what was evil and to be avoided.

Adam had become like Jesus in that way, where it says, "he has become as one of us", just by having a little broader perspective on good and evil, than Adam had before the Fall.
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In no way Is Paul declaring Adam to be saved

And, you know for sure that Adam has been burning in Hell, for 7,000 years, because....?

What happened to not going there on here, since yesterday?

Paul says what he says and you say the exact opposite of what Paul says.

That's you System of Theology(?)
...

No where in the Scripture is it implicated that Adam ever repented of his sin.

Sure there is. Repentance is one of the essential components that God Grants a lost sinner, in the New Birth.

So, when God Saved Adam, as essentially is said with regard to him being a type of Christ, Repentance is implicated.

 

[Charlie24]

Nothing, unless there is something wrong with the Bible verse that says that Adam is a type of Christ.

"Adam, who is a type of the One Who was to Come."



I'm glad you think you know something about Adam having a relationship to "death by sin", but it isn't what The Bible exclusively says that he is a type of.

The Bible says Adam is a type of Jesus Christ.

"Adam, who is a type of the One Who was to Come."

Adam is a type of Christ, as we see here, in these different ways;

1.) as to his soul, which was Created in Righteousness and Holiness, in Wisdom and Knowledge,

2a.) and Adam was like Jesus as a type of Christ, a figure of Him that was to Come; especially in his being a Federal Head to his posterity and 2b.) Adam's Government he had over all the creatures:

3.) and in his offices of Prophet, 4.) Priest, 5.) and King;

6.) and where Adam was Created in Knowledge, after the Image of Him that Created him,

7.) and by having the law of God inscribed on his heart, he knew what was good and to be done, and what was evil and to be avoided.

Adam had become like Jesus in that way, where it says, "he has become as one of us", just by having a little broader perspective on good and evil, than Adam had before the Fall.
..



And, you know for sure that Adam has been burning in Hell, for 7,000 years, because....?

What happened to not going there on here, since yesterday?

Paul says what he says and you say the exact opposite of what Paul says.

That's you System of Theology(?)
...



Sure there is. Repentance is one of the essential components that God Grants a lost sinner, in the New Birth.

So, when God Saved Adam, as essentially is said with regard to him being a type of Christ, Repentance is implicated.

I don't know if Adam is in hell or not, there is no solid way of knowing.

My point from the beginning is that John Gill doesn't know either!

But yet he "assumes" they were saved.

Just as everyone else, there is no Blood applied without repentance.

There is no sign whatsoever in Scripture that they repeneted.

 

[kyredneck]

Nope, that is not correct in the case of Adam and Eve.

21 And Jehovah God made for Adam and for his wife coats of skins, and clothed them. Gen 3

I agree with Pink and others that this is a wonderful type of Christ's imputed righteousness, brought about by the shedding of the animal's blood.

The Blood was only applied by repentance of those sins.

Charlie, they ran and hid when Jehovah God was looking for them.

I don't know if Adam is in hell or not, there is no solid way of knowing.

Hell, hell, hell. Hell on the brain.

 

[Charlie24]

21 And Jehovah God made for Adam and for his wife coats of skins, and clothed them. Gen 3

I agree with Pink and others that this is a type of Christ's imputed righteousness, brought about by the shedding of the animal's blood.



Charlie, they ran and hid when Jehovah God was looking for them.

But they never repented, ky. As I said before, instead of owning their sin, Adam blamed Eve, and she blamed the Serpent for their sins. No repentance, no Blood applied.

See, your going with Covenant Theology through Calvinism to "election."

That's not the way it works, ky.

 

[kyredneck]

But they never repented, ky. As I said before, instead of owning their sin, Adam blamed Eve, and she blamed the Serpent for their sins. No repentance, no Blood applied.

See, your going with Covenant Theology through Calvinism to "election."

No Charlie, I'm going with scripture:

6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath [of God] through him.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;
11 and not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Ro 5
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

 

[Charlie24]

No Charlie, I'm going with scripture:

6 For while we were yet weak, in due season Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: for peradventure for the good man some one would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath [of God] through him.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;
11 and not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Ro 5
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), Eph 2

Ok, LOL, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I've explained by points clearly, so here we have another case of opposite interpretations.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I don't know if Adam is in hell or not, there is no solid way of knowing.

"there is no solid way of knowing", if you have bitter root hatred and haughty aversion for professing certain Doctrines concerning the subject of the Eternal Plan of Salvation, contained in The Doctrines of Grace, for example.

You can't know much of anything Biblical with regard to the Eternal Plan of Salvation, without being well versed in The Doctrines of Grace.

Do you hate, or love,
The Doctrines of Grace?

Adam blamed Eve, and she blamed the Serpent for their sins.

At first.

That means nothing, of course.

God Granted them the Twin Doctrines of Repentance and Faith, in response to His Message of The Gospel, in Genesis 3:15, which is the power of God, unto Salvation.

"Were Adam and Eve saved by the Grace of God?"

"But if Adam and Eve were saved, we must next ask how they were saved.

"They certainly were not saved by their own "free will" or their own efforts.

"When God came to save them, they hid from God (3:8) and made excuses for their sins (3:12-13).

"It was God, and not themselves, who saved them.

"God said, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman" (3:15).

"Adam and Eve had no power or will to break free from Satan's dominion. Only God could and only God did deliver them.

"But not only was their salvation wholly of God; it was also wholly of Grace.

"Our first parents had disobeyed God's Command and had eaten of the forbidden fruit.

"They believed the devil and disbelieved the true and living God Who had made them and who had entered into fellowship with them.

" Thus their salvation could only be by the Sovereign Mercy and Gift of God.

"And since their salvation was wholly of Grace, then it must also be of Faith (Eph. 2:8).

"Adam and Eve were given Faith by God to believe in the coming seed of the woman, Christ, Who would bruise Satan's head on the cross.

"And we, and all of God's people in all ages, are saved in the same way as our first parents."

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

But they never repented, ky. As I said before, instead of owning their sin,

Is there evidence of Adam and Eve’s Repentance and Faith after the Fall?

"Obviously, Adam and Eve experienced a profound sense of guilt and shame, which Scripture teaches. Even though they fled from God and hid from God, two things stand out in that narrative.

"One, The First Act of Redemption recorded in sacred Scripture was when God condescended to make garments to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve.

"If you look at that whole concept of nakedness from Adam and Eve to Noah and through the whole of sacred Scripture, you will see the motif over and over again that Salvation is communicated through the metaphor of covering.

"On the Day of Atonement, when the High Priest would take the blood of the animal and sprinkle it on the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies, the blood became a covering for the iniquities of his people.

"The Work of Christ in our Redemption is that He provides us with the clothing of His Righteousness to cover our filthy rags and our nakedness.

"Since God instituted that Principle of Imputation, or covering of sin, with Adam and Eve, that strongly suggests to me that they were Redeemed.

"That would have presupposed their Repentance.

"Two, in the curse of the serpent that is part of the Judgment of God for the Fall, there is the promise of the protoevangel.

"That is, from the seed of the woman would come One who would crush the head of the serpent while its heel was being bruised.

"That was a Promise of Redemption given to Adam and Eve, and to their descendants, based on Grace."

 

[Charlie24]

"there is no solid way of knowing", if you have bitter root hatred and haughty aversion for professing certain Doctrines concerning the subject of the Eternal Plan of Salvation, contained in The Doctrines of Grace, for example.

You can't know much of anything Biblical with regard to the Eternal Plan of Salvation, without being well versed in The Doctrines of Grace.

Do you hate, or love,
The Doctrines of Grace?



At first.

That means nothing, of course.

God Granted them the Twin Doctrines of Repentance and Faith, in response to His Message of The Gospel, in Genesis 3:15, which is the power of God, unto Salvation.

"Were Adam and Eve saved by the Grace of God?"

"But if Adam and Eve were saved, we must next ask how they were saved.

"They certainly were not saved by their own "free will" or their own efforts.

"When God came to save them, they hid from God (3:8) and made excuses for their sins (3:12-13).

"It was God, and not themselves, who saved them.

"God said, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman" (3:15).

"Adam and Eve had no power or will to break free from Satan's dominion. Only God could and only God did deliver them.

"But not only was their salvation wholly of God; it was also wholly of Grace.

"Our first parents had disobeyed God's Command and had eaten of the forbidden fruit.

"They believed the devil and disbelieved the true and living God Who had made them and who had entered into fellowship with them.

" Thus their salvation could only be by the Sovereign Mercy and Gift of God.

"And since their salvation was wholly of Grace, then it must also be of Faith (Eph. 2:8).

"Adam and Eve were given Faith by God to believe in the coming seed of the woman, Christ, Who would bruise Satan's head on the cross.

"And we, and all of God's people in all ages, are saved in the same way as our first parents."

Ok, I agree to disagree. Made all my points.

 

[Charlie24]

Is there evidence of Adam and Eve’s Repentance and Faith after the Fall?

"Obviously, Adam and Eve experienced a profound sense of guilt and shame, which Scripture teaches. Even though they fled from God and hid from God, two things stand out in that narrative.

"One, The First Act of Redemption recorded in sacred Scripture was when God condescended to make garments to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve.

"If you look at that whole concept of nakedness from Adam and Eve to Noah and through the whole of sacred Scripture, you will see the motif over and over again that Salvation is communicated through the metaphor of covering.

"On the Day of Atonement, when the High Priest would take the blood of the animal and sprinkle it on the Mercy Seat in the Holy of Holies, the blood became a covering for the iniquities of his people.

"The Work of Christ in our Redemption is that He provides us with the clothing of His Righteousness to cover our filthy rags and our nakedness.

"Since God instituted that Principle of Imputation, or covering of sin, with Adam and Eve, that strongly suggests to me that they were Redeemed.

"That would have presupposed their Repentance.

"Two, in the curse of the serpent that is part of the Judgment of God for the Fall, there is the promise of the protoevangel.

"That is, from the seed of the woman would come One who would crush the head of the serpent while its heel was being bruised.

"That was a Promise of Redemption given to Adam and Eve, and to their descendants, based on Grace."

Opinion with no real substance.

 

[percho]

From Romans 8:3

for what the law [thou shall not eat of it] was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh,

Was Adam sold under sin? How? Did he create himself of flesh, a little less than the angels?

No God created Adam a little less than the angels, of flesh. God gave him a law which could do nothing for Adam but sell him, of flesh, under sin.

IMHO

 

[kyredneck]

for what the law [thou shall not eat of it] was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh,

Excellent.

 

[Van]

It seems you believe God created man with a sinful nature. Is that so?

It seems your question misrepresents the clearly stated biblical doctrine presented in post #2.

 

[kyredneck]

Paul told us the woman was at fault by eating the fruit first and giving to Adam, but the man was held responsible.

Correct. Eve was tricked, deceived. Adam was not. Adam made a deliberate choice (wherein lies yet another type).

14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came, 1 Tim 2

 

[37818]

It seems your question misrepresents the clearly stated biblical doctrine presented in post #2.

A "do not think so," is a denial.

Was it the acquired knowledge of good and evil, that produced our sin nature, or sinful nature? I do not think so.