Allan, I still think you're reading way more into this that Pink is not saying. It sounds to me that this is what Allan would have us to believe that this is what Pink would have us to believe due to Allan's presuppositions about when Satan and his angels were cast down, that Pink may or may not have agreed with. I really would like some clarification from you on this. Just when is it that you believe this incident occurred?:
No presupposition on my part at all. Pink stated it and Allan recorded his folly about it. Simple as that. Nothing more and nothing less.
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven. Lu 10:18
This is just one. Another speaks of Satan, by of illstration, walking in the garden of Eden just prior to his being cast down.
Eze 28:13 - "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
v 14 - “You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you;* you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
v 15 - "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.
Remembering that this is speaking of/to a man, we see God equating him with Satan and all his pride, beauty, power, and position. Note the Satan walked in the garden, and was not only on the Holy Mount of God, but was one of the covering angels (see ark of the covenant) and this was what God gaven him and place him into.. that is until he sinned due to pride and was cast out of the moutain of God. So when was satan cast down? It was prior to man but after the creation event as Satan walked in the garden. We know that Satan decieved Eve and this was after he had rebelled, and thus was already cast down and was 'No Longer' abiding nor have residence in.. heaven. And if satan was cast out and having no more habitiation in heaven, then so it was with the angels who fell
with him. His being cast down was with respect to his position or better their habition of their first (original) estate. but he and the other demonic host still have access though limited.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels;
8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. Rev 12
Ummm, no. The context establishes
this 'casting down' happened sometime
after Christ was resurrected. And the cast down was due to a great war in heaven with/against Michael and his angels. Thus Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels down to earth, not God, here.
Acatully according to vs 4 this marks the
second time they are cast down to earth (first one being at their rebellion) but on 'this' occassion (sometime after Christ's resurrection) they are no longer allowed even admittance into heaven.
Thus the text is quite apparentl they were intially cast down, having left their habition (the gentive case here, refering to the stars/angels being cast down establishes heaven to their original home or abode of which they no longer have), of which Jude tells us - to go after their sinful and pride exhualting lusts.
It is quite apparent by reasoning from these examples of heavenly dialogs that are given us in scripture, i.e., 2 Chron 18:18-22, Job 1 & 2, Lu 22:31, that Satan and his angels still had a place in heaven (or access) during the account given in Gen 6. They hadn't been kicked out yet.
Access, yes. Still had a place in heaven? -Not found anywhere in these passages of scripture or elsewhere.
Pink DID show scripture, and the supposition DOES have basis from REASONING from these scriptures. The problem is that Allan doesn't agree with Pink's REASONING from scripture, not that there's no scripture.
No, his reasoning from supposition was shown to be his flaw, and nothing more.
He gives NO scriptures which deal with his supposition that Satan angels, or had his angels mate with and marry woman to destroy the human race. This is pure conjecture outside of scripture. There is nothing in scripture to support such a notion anywhere about this incident!
Pink (once again):
“....God revealed the fact that the Coming One was to be of human kind, the woman’s Seed, hence, as we shall seek to show, Satan attempted to destroy the human race. Next, God made known to Abraham that the Coming One was to be a descendant of his (Gen. 12:3; Galatians 3:18; Matthew 1:1);
EXACTLY - nothing but conjecture from outside of scripture to develope a doctrine. Nothing in any of those verse,s in context, even remotely gives pause to his postulation that these were Satans planned attackes agianst Israel or the Davidic lineage. It is a complete contrivance of his opinion.
Understand though, I do agree that Satan knowing what he knows about them, he wishes to destroy them.. I don't doubt this and we see 'this' in scripture but what we do not see is his ad-libbing of it to passages of texts.
hence, four hundred years later, when the descendants of Abraham became numerous in Egypt Satan sought to destroy the Abrahamic stock, by moving Pharaoh to seek the destruction of all the male children (Ex. 1:15, 16).
Again, the man leaves scripture for flights of fancy. Nothing in scripture is given that states or alludes to Satan moving Pharoah to "destroy the Abrahamic stock.. by killing all males". Scripture DOES tell us however that Pharoah did order the killing of all male children because the Hebrews had become to numerious in comparison to the Egyptians and this was to - REDUSE the population. Not destroy it. We know this by the context of Ex 1 and the contents therein.
Later, God made known the fact that the Coming One was to be of the offspring of David (2 Samuel 7:12, 13); hence, the subsequent attack made upon David through Absalom (2 Samuel 15).
Again, flights of fancy. Please show the corrisponding passage of scripture where Satan or spirit moved or instigated Absalom for Satan's plan to kill of the lineage. We do KNOW that scripture tells us it was Absaloms desire to do what he did (his own lusts) of which corrisponded to God's plan - not Satans.
As, then, the Coming One was to be of the seed of David, He must spring from the tribe of Judah, and hence the significance of the divided Kingdom, and the attacks of the Ten Tribes upon the Tribe of Judah!
Pink has some good views and he has some serious misunderstandings, that is all I can say. Sorry but it's true. Nothing, absolutely nothing he has given "
on this subject" gives any scriptural warrent for his supposition.
Now let me be clear, I do believe/understand that Satan knows that if Israel was destoyed or the lingeage of Christ, prior to His birth, were to cease, he would win out over and against God. But this knowledge of his is of no consequence to God nor of any fear to Him. Often as an instrument of God’s judgment, Satan has persecuted the Jewish people throughout their history. Again he knows that to destroy Israel would make it impossible for God to fulfill His promises to the Jewish people. But this we also know - God will not allow him to do that, but will and has used Satan to chasten Israel.
God is never surprised and what goes on or what happens. As I have said before on here - Nothing ever 'occurs' to God. Yet this is what Pink would have us to believe with respect to the supposed mating and marrying of angels and women, and Satan's plans against Israel and Christ. He has it as though Satan is attacking and God is countering. No - God is using Satan and his own desires to bring about His own plan. Nothing happens that is not under God's explicit authority and control.
I agree that Satan cannot directly touch one of God's own without God's express permission (or command). However, I believe Satan has free reign to do what he wants to, or through, his own.
Yes, he can what he like with God's permission
