George W. Gore

[HisWordIsTruth]

Again we the people have elected them and we are responsible.

Again with all due respect this statement goes directly against what the Word of God says. So am I to believe you or am I to believe God?

 

[poncho]

Again with all due respect this statement goes directly against what the Word of God says. So am I to believe you or am I to believe God?

C'mon we've seen all this before somebody comes on here and tries to transfer God's authority onto himself to get the final word. It's old hat and cliche.

Let's just cut to the chase okay?

God chose the founding fathers of this nation to give mankind a set of laws that let man have control over his own government by making man himself the government. We're the government. George W. Bush like it or not is our servant.

We're the masters.


Masters do not have to obey their servants in this country we have to obey the law. The servant is to obey the law also not ignore it, not manipulate it to serve his own lusts or to change it so he becomes our master by deception. And if he does we have the God given right to oppose him as all rights come from God and not the state.

George W. Bush and/or the state isn't Ceasar in these United States of America. We are. We are the higher power here not our servants.

 

[Palatka51]

C'mon we've seen all this before somebody comes on here and tries to transfer God's authority onto himself to get the final word. It's old hat and cliche.

Let's just cut to the chase okay?

God sent the founding fathers of this nation here to give mankind a set of laws that let man have control over his own government by making man the government. We're the government. George W. Bush like it or not is our servant.

We're the masters.


Maters do not have to obey their servants in this country they have to obey the laws. The servant is to obey the law also not ignore it, not manipulate it to serve his lusts or to change it so he becomes our master by deception. And if he does we have the God given right to oppose him as all rights come from God and not the state.

George W. Bush or the state isn't Ceasar in the United States of America. We are. We are the higher power here not our servants.

Good post, Poncho.:thumbs:

 

[JustChristian]

Having betrayed Republicans on all other key issues from education to immigration, the announcement that George W. Bush intends to introduce global warming legislation should come as no surprise.


http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200804/COM20080414e.html

He's been trying everything he could think of this year to have his Presidency looked upon as successful. It's an impossible task.

 

[dragonfly]

HWIT, I don't see you mentioned in scripture, so I have to assume God is going to call who he wants, and he won't run it by you, first.

Second, due to the first response on your last post, I'm going to assume yer not serious, and are only here to argue. I don't expect that I will waste much time conversing with you.

You feel it is alright to belittle and make snide remarks to others, yet when they don't bow to your authority you then, like a small child, boast that you won't talk to them any more. Just how juvenile can you possible be?

If you can't debate someone on the points, admit it and move on, quit acting so superior!

Yea, I know, you won't talk to me now.

elected them and we are responsible. It is the blood of our fine young men that is being shed for our misjudgments.

Don't blame me! I didn't vote for Bush either time he ran. I didn't even vote for him for governor of Texas.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

C'mon we've seen all this before somebody comes on here and tries to transfer God's authority onto himself to get the final word. It's old hat and cliche.

What is the word are you talking about?

Let's just cut to the chase okay?

Sounds good to me, because I couldn't tell what you were chasing with the above statement .

God chose the founding fathers of this nation to give mankind a set of laws that let man have control over his own government by making man himself the government.

Okay where does it say that "God chose the found fathers." The last time I checked this nation was founded upon "rebellion".

So exactly what law of God were the folks told to go against? Or what were they told "not" to do that God said do that gave them cause for lawful rebellion?

We're the government.

Last time I checked the United State is NOT my home. I am a "stranger" in a "strange" land, so why in the world would I want to have anything more to do with this "strange" land than necessary to get by until I go "home"?

We're the masters.

WOW . . . do you actually read your posts? We are the "masters"? My goodness.

We are the higher power here not our servants.

If you desire to be "first" you will be "last". I came to "serve" not to "be served". WOW. That's about all I can say. WOW.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You feel it is alright to belittle and make snide remarks to others, yet when they don't bow to your authority you then, like a small child, boast that you won't talk to them any more. Just how juvenile can you possible be?

I didn't ask anyone to bow, nor do I feel I belittled him. But since yer at it, I expect next time yer buddy M.P. calls someone a pig, you'll be jumping on him, as well.

If you can't debate someone on the points, admit it and move on, quit acting so superior!

I'm sorry if you view me as someone who has any authority around here. Perhaps it's because you've lost so many debates to me. But I have zero say in what goes on, here.

Yea, I know, you won't talk to me now.

I can get along without talking to you, as I have demonstrated, and am willing to do again, if you wish. All you have to do is ask.

 

[Palatka51]

Don't blame me! I didn't vote for Bush either time he ran. I didn't even vote for him for governor of Texas.

Wow, I must be getting pretty important in this thread. I've actually been quoted out of context. My post was not of W's misjudgments but Carter's and Clinton's. FTR I did not vote for them either but I do accept the consequences for being an American during their folly. No one should turn their back on this nation if their man did not win POTUS. If Barak Hussien Obama wins I will not turn by back on him nor our great country. I will still stand for what I believe and speak louder for the protection of the unborn. I will not be a coward and not accept the responsibility of my citizenship.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

I will not be a coward and not accept the responsibility of my citizenship.

So who exactly are you accusing of being a "coward"?

 

[Palatka51]

Last time I checked the United State is NOT my home. I am a "stranger" in a "strange" land, so why in the world would I want to have anything more to do with this "strange" land than necessary to get by until I go "home"?

Turn in your Green Card and go home then. :thumbs:

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Turn in your Green Card and go home then.

So I see "mature" conversation is out of the realm of possibility for you. Sad.

 

[Palatka51]

So who exactly are you accusing of being a "coward"?

Anyone that shirks his/her duty of citizenship. And I hold myself to that same standard by praying for whom ever may be elected by the will of the people.

 

[Palatka51]

So I see "mature" conversation is out of the realm of possibility for you. Sad.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thank you I've needed a good laugh today. So, when are you going home.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Anyone that shirks his/her duty of citizenship.

Sorry, but I'm not bound by "duty". Just because "you" think it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to, and "your" way goes directly against the word of God, especially if you vote for the wrong person.

So at best you've got a 50-50 shot at open, active rebellion against God. Not good odds in my book.

There are enough things going in life, why saved folks want to go and add to their pile is beyond me, but hey to each their own. Just don't act surprised if God doesn't reach out and give you an atta boy/girl when you have to give an account.

Thank you I've needed a good laugh today.

Well as I said it seems "mature" conversation is outside of a possibility at least within this topic, and the more you post the more you prove my point.

 

[Palatka51]

Sorry, but I'm not bound by "duty". Just because "you" think it that way doesn't mean everyone else has to, and "your" way goes directly against the word of God, especially if you vote for the wrong person.

What have I posted that is contrary to God's Word?

So at best you've got a 50-50 shot at open, active rebellion against God. Not good odds in my book.

Glad that you are not my judge. Rebellion implies that I am not saved.

There are enough things going in life, why saved folks want to go and add to their pile is beyond me, but hey to each their own. Just don't act surprised if God doesn't reach out and give you an atta boy/girl when you have to give an account.

I account that the Blood of my risen Savior is sufficient, after all it is not I that gets the "atta boy" but Him.

Well as I said it seems "mature" conversation is outside of a possibility at least within this topic, and the more you post the more you prove my point.

So, you've not answered my question, When are you going home? Maturity is knowing when to turn in your green card.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

What have I posted that is contrary to God's Word?

If you really want to know then go back and re-read your posts and then read my responses. I suppose you don't "really" want to know.

Rebellion implies that I am not saved.

Not at all. If you took my statements that way that was not my intention. Peter rebelled against God when He tried to tell Jesus He wasn't going to let Him die and when He was in the garden and took up the sword.

Peter was actively rebelling against God in those moments, but he wasn't unsaved by any means.

I account that the Blood of my risen Savior is sufficient,

That's fine, but why purposefully do things that are just going to have to be confessed, when you could not do them and wouldn't have to worry about it? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

So, you've not answered my question,

Because your question is childish and not worth a response.

 

[Revmitchell]

Depends. If the law you are asked to keep is in direct violation of the Word of God then yes disobeying a law is more than okay, it is demanded. Are we to follow man or are we to follow God?

Just because God put the man in charge doesn't mean we are to blindly follow them if they tell us to do something that would violate what God has told us to do or not to do.

Not every pastor that is pastoring is called by God to do so. Surely you don't think that do you? You think the pope is "called" of God?

Anyone can "say" they are called by God to pastor, but I don't see any Scripture where it says that God "does" place pastors into churches. I may be wrong, but I've never seen it before.

And we have clear Scripture telling us that we are to "test" everything with what Scripture says. So if a pastor is telling us to believe something or do something or not do something that directly violates God's Word then we are not commanded to follow that person.

I think "saved" people's interest in politics is merely a lack of faith in God's Word. He said He will raise up the leaders He will raise up and that He will bring them down when the time comes.

So I'm not sure why folks are actively trying to subvert the will of God. Take for example Jimmy Carter. From a purely "secular" persepctive the US would have been MUCH better without Jimmy Carter. However that is EXACTLY the person that God wanted to be POTUS at that time.

The same could be said of Bill Clinton in that "evangelicals" fought hard to have someone else besides Bill Clinton elected. And they are fighting equally as hard if not harder to have anyone but Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama elected.

But in the end it's not going to matter who votes for who. God will raise up the EXACT person He wants to be in that office despite your votes. So if that is the case, and it is according to Scripture, why not just sit back and see who it is that God selects instead of actively trying to help.

God doesn't "need" our votes. Nor do I find anywhere in Scripture where God "wants" our votes.

So is it your position that it is against scripture to vote?

 

[Palatka51]

So is it your position that it is against scripture to vote?

His replys sound like a JW's response to this thread doesn't it?

 

[Revmitchell]

His replys sound like a JW's response to this thread doesn't it?

Or someone who holds to Millenium Exclusion

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

So is it your position that it is against scripture to vote?

Well if you mean by that question to I have a text that says it is a sin to vote. No. Voting wasn't an issue back then .

What we have to do is understand what God said about leaders. And He said that "He" is the one that raises them up and He is the one that takes them down.

So the question is why would I "need" to vote when God said He is going to take care of it? Again there is a 50-50 chance that I'm going to vote against God's anointed. And I see no evidence in Scripture where it said that God winks at rebellion against His will.

No one has been able to show me in Scripture that it is justifiable to vote against God.

Would you care to give it a go?

How is it that you think God is okay with you voting against the man/women that He wants to hold the office of POTUS?

By the way I love how you bring Millennial Exclusion into EVERY conversation . That's just comical. So I guess I believe in this doctrine because I say we should trust God to do what He said He was going to do . You really have some serious issues revmitchell .