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Germany Locks Down the Unvaccinated, Weighs Vaccine Mandate

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
The poor are expected to put themselves in greater danger to give lesser protection to the rich. I understand that my life is considered of less value than those that I might come in contact with. It has been like this for most of my life, except when it wasn't, and others were expected to sacrifice their lives for mine while I was under the protection of a powerful person. I have lived at both extremes of the class divide.

I found this article in the NYT intersting. I cannot post a link, because I got access through the library and my only link includes info about my 3 day pass. I am not saying we should become more social! I'm just posting this about the increased compliance of those who are BENEFITING from social programs and class inequality.

New York Times
Behind Low Vaccination Rates Lurks a More Profound Social Weakness

It turns out that the real vaccination divide is class.

For poorer and working-class people ... Covid-19 is only one of multiple grave threats. In the South Bronx, one man who works two jobs shared that he navigates around drug dealers, hostile police and shootings. ... Another man said he lost his job during the pandemic and slipped back into addiction. “Most of my friends are dead or in jail,” he said. Neither one plans to get vaccinated. Their hesitancy is not irrational: When viewed in the context of the other threats they face, Covid no longer seems uniquely scary.

Most of the people we interviewed in the Bronx say they are skeptical of the institutions that claim to serve the poor but in fact have abandoned them. “When you’re in a high tax bracket, the government protects you,” said one man who drives an Amazon truck for a living. “So why wouldn’t you trust a government that protects you?” On the other hand, he and his friends find reason to view the government’s sudden interest in their well-being with suspicion. “They are over here shoving money at us,” a woman told us, referring to a New York City offer to pay a $500 bonus to municipal workers to get vaccinated. “And I’m asking, why are you so eager, when you don’t give us money for anything else?” These views reinforce the work of social scientists who find a link between a lack of trust and inequality. And without trust, there is no mutual obligation, no sense of a common good.

In the mid-’60s, the number of government-funded social programs targeting the poor and communities of color skyrocketed. ... when people feel supported through social programs, they’re more likely to trust institutions and believe they have a stake in society’s health. Only then do the ideas of social solidarity and mutual obligation begin to make sense. ...

as the public purse shrunk in the 1980s, politicians insisted that it’s no longer the government’s job to ensure people’s well-being; instead, Americans were to be responsible only for themselves and their own bodies. ...

Universal programs inculcate a sense of a common good because everyone is eligible simply by virtue of belonging to a political community. In the international context, when marginalized communities benefit from universal government programs that bring basic services like clean drinking water and primary health care, they are more likely to trust efforts in emergency situations — like when they’re asked to get vaccinated.

If the world is going to beat the pandemic, countries need policies that promote a basic, but increasingly forgotten, idea: that our individual flourishing is bound up in collective well-being.
 
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Two Wings

Well-Known Member
the number of government-funded social programs targeting the poor and communities of color skyrocketed. ... when people feel supported through social programs,

ma'am ... total welfare spending since this period has outpaced total spending on war/defense since the nation's inception.

people don't feel appreciated when the government has welfare programs. People feel appreciated when they are respected and have dignity in their own with their own self-discipline.

The conditions referenced in this article are the result of a failure to properly align with a governing "agency." That being the breathed-back-to-life spirit we can have and the discipline from The Holy Spirit.

Proper secular government tasking is few in number. providing for housing, et al ... isn't it. That's a result of our outsourcing our own commission to minister to the poor ... outsourced to secular government---comprised of fallen man. The result isn't unpredictable.

AFA this cv jab is concerned ... should never be anything but a personal decision. however, it's being used as a coercion to grow the authority of the secular government under the guise only the government can provide paradise; personal satisfaction and dignity.

It's precisely the opposite.

It's interesting when analyzing the breakdown of the education levels in those jabbed/not jabbed; the very uneducated and the very highly educated are the greatest percentages of unjabbed.

"know enough to be dangerous" assumes another meaning.

I'm sorry you are struggling physically. I pray you realize NOW God's peace which passes understanding and physical healing. Advocating for socialism is an error. The data and experience clearly show this to be true --- alas, it's in our nature to seek having someone tell us what to do. The problem is ... the majority want that to be a king dressed as we think he should be dressed ... not as the Lord and Savior of the world who entered into this world as humble as possible.
 

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
I found this article in the NYT intersting. ... I am not saying we should become more social! I'm just posting this about the increased compliance of those who are BENEFITING from social programs and class inequality.

ma'am ... Advocating for socialism is an error.

I am not sure if you were responding to the article or responding to me as if I were advocating all of the article. I don't know how to be any more clear that I am not doing that. The article brought up some observations about which people were most compliant and which people were not. Although the author (not me) advocates socialism, it agrees with many things that have been said here, over and over, about the WORKING poor, and disappearing middle class. I tried to edit the article to make it concise, but not to misrepresent the author.

Why do people trust or not trust? Why do people comply or not comply, even when they don't trust. Prisoners of war seldom trust their captors, but most comply instead of choosing certain and immediate death. Why? Should they?
 

Two Wings

Well-Known Member
I am not sure if you were responding to the article or responding to me as if I were advocating all of the article. I don't know how to be any more clear that I am not doing that. The article brought up some observations about which people were most compliant and which people were not. Although the author (not me) advocates socialism, it agrees with many things that have been said here, over and over, about the WORKING poor, and disappearing middle class. I tried to edit the article to make it concise, but not to misrepresent the author.

Why do people trust or not trust? Why do people comply or not comply, even when they don't trust. Prisoners of war seldom trust their captors, but most comply instead of choosing certain and immediate death. Why? Should they?

My apologies for overlooking your disclaimer statement which is boldfaced in your quote not in your original post ... but the article certainly advocates strongly for socialism.

POWs are commanded to resist to the best of their ability. It's in the Code of Conduct every combat soldier, seaman, airman, and marine are trained to know, abide, and execute. we even have specific training which puts us as a POW for a time ... it doesn't take long to be there psychologically. So I'm not sure what you mean by "comply." We are shown that no one can resist 100% effectively 100% of the time, but to suggest POWs are compliant means there's a misunderstanding. There's far more happening than simply going where told/when.

I'm not blaming the working poor ... but including all those advocations of government welfare programs ... there is a tacit approval of them. it's largely BECAUSE of those welfare programs that there are the working poor ... two income families struggling financially.

Given this thread is about Germany's lockdown of the non-cv-vaxed ... your point about compliance is relevant. Trust (of the government in particular) is relevant. I'm not sure what relevance lies in an article about the working poor/disappearing middle class with respect to the government's treatment of non-cv-vaxed persons.

The resistance to the cv vax isn't economic. As I mentioned, analyzing the education level of those who are least likely to receive the cv vax ... it's the uneducated ... and the very highly educated. Higher percentages of those with 4 year degrees are (gleefully) taking the cv vax. Now education doesn't necessarily mean economic ... but for purposes of this analysis, I think it's fair to make a basic equivocation.
 
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