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Germany Warns GOP Letter Affects Iran Talks

Use of Time

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I agree that it was a bad idea. But I also agree with Carpro's point about Obama constantly skirting congress.


Seems to me a president once went around congress to sell about 1500 missiles to Iran, then again went around congress when he used the money to de-stabilize Nicaragua. The democrats are still fuming about that one.

That point is a fine one I'm just sick of us looking like a bunch of yokels in front of the rest of the world. No other country is airing their dirty laundry at these negotiations quite like we have. We really need some strong GOP leadership to pull us out of the puerile nonsense and start really preparing for a strong run. I mean the whole point of that letter is a moot point if the GOP self destructs before it's in a position to do anything about this.
 

church mouse guy

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Germany, although they do not have a seat at the table in these negotiations between the Democrats and Iran, wanted to express historic Germanic concerns about the plight of the Jews, the canaries in the coal mine.
 

kyredneck

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Germany, although they do not have a seat at the table in these negotiations between the Democrats and Iran....

The ignorance of the right wingnuts on this board never ceases to amaze me. As I advised smearpro, go educate yourself on P5+1 before commenting.
 

Use of Time

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Germany, although they do not have a seat at the table in these negotiations between the Democrats and Iran, wanted to express historic Germanic concerns about the plight of the Jews, the canaries in the coal mine.

Man I have absolutely no idea what are you talking about half the time.

Also, here is a nice article that talks about how stupid it was for the GOP to tip their hand here. Because they made their intentions known, the UN Security Council is now looking to make legally binding any resulting resolution here that is going to complicate any attempts to overturn them. That would make it harder for Western Nations to overturn them willy nilly. Fantastic work guys.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN0M82IS20150312
 

kyredneck

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Wow, that totally blows the advantage of the 'non binding agreement' the president was out to make:

"...“A non-binding agreement with Iran is easier to make (because the President can clearly do it on his own) and easier to break (because there is no domestic or international legal obstacle to breaking it),” wrote Jack Goldsmith, a former Assistant Attorney General who now teaches law at Harvard, at Lawfare on Wednesday...."
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...enators-who-sent-that-letter-to-iran-n1970504

The 'non binding' advantage of it was that it would give us the legal edge to drop the agreement quickly and respond quickly to an Iranian 'breakout' to build a bomb. This eliminates that advantage now.

Yea, thanks guys.
 
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Use of Time

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Wow, that totally blows the advantage of the 'non binding agreement' the president was out to make:

"...“A non-binding agreement with Iran is easier to make (because the President can clearly do it on his own) and easier to break (because there is no domestic or international legal obstacle to breaking it),” wrote Jack Goldsmith, a former Assistant Attorney General who now teaches law at Harvard, at Lawfare on Wednesday...."
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...enators-who-sent-that-letter-to-iran-n1970504

The 'non binding' aspect of it was that it would give us the legal edge to drop the agreement quickly and respond quickly to an Iranian 'breakout' to build a bomb.

Yea, thanks guys.

It is truly unreal. I hope the "joke" was worth the uphill battle they just created for themselves if these talks don't go there way.
 

OldRegular

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Lots of Republicans are angry that these senators gave the Democrats such a wonderful campaign gift.

“The Republicans handed the Democrats a perfect issue going in to 2016,” said a New Hampshire Democrat. “No matter what they do from now until November 2016, Democrats have endless editorials to pull devastating quotes from to demolish the Republicans. Truly a gift.”

“I talked to a number of non-political Granite Staters who were, to be blunt, shocked by its appalling lack of respect for the presidency,” said another, “by its undermining of American credibility and by what they felt was essentially an un-patriotic act.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3UJBwJ2BB

More barnyard crap from the Socialist Party of Amaerika!
 
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OldRegular

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Doesn't matter how much substance there is to it, it's the perception, public opinion, that's going to be spun from this colossal blunder.

Did you even notice "If it gains traction"? Doesn't matter whether it's true or not, their political opponents are going to have a heyday with this.

Iraq debacle deja vu; but that probably escapes you also. You probably think the Iraq War was a resounding success and all the neocon players that brought it about are hero's.

We heard the same BC in 2013 and got 9 Senate seats and about 20 House seats!
 

kyredneck

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We heard the same BC in 2013 and got 9 Senate seats and about 20 House seats!

If we're still around come 2016 I'm gonna rub your nose in it every chance I get in the aftermath of this incredible stupidity of your beloved GOP.
 

OldRegular

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If we're still around come 2016 I'm gonna rub your nose in it every chance I get in the aftermath of this incredible stupidity of your beloved GOP.

If you are still around there will be plenty of stuff to rub it in!:thumbsup::laugh::smilewinkgrin:
 

carpro

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Germany has a vested interest in their trading partner and that is why they are the "+1" in the equation.

And the United states Senate, the people's elected representatives, don't have a vested interest ???

Strange way of looking at it.
 
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poncho

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Evidently we're pretty good at "regime change".

Nation building afterward? Not so much.

But hey the money is good for a select connected few. That's what really matters. Win lose or draw the select connected few always turn a tidy profit from war.

War, what's it good for? $$$ big profits $$$
 
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777

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And the United states Senate, the people's elected representatives, don't have a vested interest ???

Strange way of looking at it.

No, I meant vested as in $$$ - that is the only reason Germany is even part of the group.

Iran is borrowing for time and it's working.
 

OldRegular

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No, I meant vested as in $$$ - that is the only reason Germany is even part of the group.

Iran is borrowing for time and it's working.

Stupid Europeans don't realize Obama killed the defensive missile system to protect Europe from Iran and whoever!
 
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