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Gina Haspel Faces 'Morality' Test from Democrats

Yeshua1

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I don't think its inhumane at all. I think its a part of war. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of J.M.
I think that if we were refighting WW II agin, he would be more concerned on how we treated Nazi prisoners of war, than on hos the Nazi treated us!
 

FollowTheWay

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I don't think its inhumane at all. I think its a part of war. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of J.M.
Torture is against the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Conventions extensively defined the basic rights of wartime prisoners (civilians and military personnel); established protections for the wounded and sick; and established protections for the civilians in and around a war-zone. The treaties of 1949 were ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 196 countries.[1] Moreover, the Geneva Convention also defines the rights and protections afforded to non-combatants.

Controversy has arisen over the US designation of irregular opponents as "unlawful enemy combatants" (see also unlawful combatant) especially in the SCOTUS judgments over the Guantanamo Bay brig facility Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and Rasul v. Bush,[49] and later Boumediene v. Bush. President George W. Bush, aided by Attorneys-General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales and General Keith B. Alexander, claimed the power, as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, to determine that any person, including an American citizen, who is suspected of being a member, agent, or associate of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or possibly any other terrorist organization, is an "enemy combatant" who can be detained in U.S. military custody until hostilities end, pursuant to the international law of war.

If we inhumanely treat prisoners like ISIS does we lose. We've lost our moral compass and are no better than they are. Nor are we any better than the Nazi's tried and convicted as war criminals after WW2.
 

Yeshua1

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Torture is against the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Conventions extensively defined the basic rights of wartime prisoners (civilians and military personnel); established protections for the wounded and sick; and established protections for the civilians in and around a war-zone. The treaties of 1949 were ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 196 countries.[1] Moreover, the Geneva Convention also defines the rights and protections afforded to non-combatants.

Controversy has arisen over the US designation of irregular opponents as "unlawful enemy combatants" (see also unlawful combatant) especially in the SCOTUS judgments over the Guantanamo Bay brig facility Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and Rasul v. Bush,[49] and later Boumediene v. Bush. President George W. Bush, aided by Attorneys-General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales and General Keith B. Alexander, claimed the power, as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, to determine that any person, including an American citizen, who is suspected of being a member, agent, or associate of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or possibly any other terrorist organization, is an "enemy combatant" who can be detained in U.S. military custody until hostilities end, pursuant to the international law of war.

If we inhumanely treat prisoners like ISIS does we lose. We've lost our moral compass and are no better than they are. Nor are we any better than the Nazi's tried and convicted as war criminals after WW2.
What you call torture is done under the supervision of a DR, and those procedures were not done in a way that would be fatal to them, unlike the beheadings done by Isis!
 

Reynolds

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Torture is against the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Conventions extensively defined the basic rights of wartime prisoners (civilians and military personnel); established protections for the wounded and sick; and established protections for the civilians in and around a war-zone. The treaties of 1949 were ratified, in whole or with reservations, by 196 countries.[1] Moreover, the Geneva Convention also defines the rights and protections afforded to non-combatants.

Controversy has arisen over the US designation of irregular opponents as "unlawful enemy combatants" (see also unlawful combatant) especially in the SCOTUS judgments over the Guantanamo Bay brig facility Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld and Rasul v. Bush,[49] and later Boumediene v. Bush. President George W. Bush, aided by Attorneys-General John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales and General Keith B. Alexander, claimed the power, as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, to determine that any person, including an American citizen, who is suspected of being a member, agent, or associate of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, or possibly any other terrorist organization, is an "enemy combatant" who can be detained in U.S. military custody until hostilities end, pursuant to the international law of war.

If we inhumanely treat prisoners like ISIS does we lose. We've lost our moral compass and are no better than they are. Nor are we any better than the Nazi's tried and convicted as war criminals after WW2.
What we are losing is our minds if we think we should be "nice" in war.
 

FollowTheWay

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What you call torture is done under the supervision of a DR, and those procedures were not done in a way that would be fatal to them, unlike the beheadings done by Isis!

92 tapes were destroyed by the CIA in November 2005 after a report by Inspector General John L. Helgerson’s office determined that they depicted "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, as defined by the international Convention Against Torture".
Firsthand Accounts | waterboarding.org

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture. They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "
"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke. It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."
— Erich “Mancow” Muller, NBC Chicago, May 22, 2009

I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture."
— Christopher Hitchens, "Believe Me, It’s Torture", Vanity Fair, August 2008

"It sounded like when we are really in pain, choking in water. The sound was screaming, from the throat. I suppose they could not bear the torture. Whenever we heard the noises we were really shocked and scared. We thought one day they will do the same thing to us."
Is it torture?
"Yes, it is severe torture. We could try it and see how we would react if we are choking under water for just two minutes. It is very serious."
— Van Nath, Survivor recalls horrors of Cambodia genocide, CNN April 7, 2008
 

FollowTheWay

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I do not see hwy Naplam was wrong to use though, as long as was just targeting enemy soldiers.
How do you do that? Napalm is spewed indiscriminately out of an airplane.

It’s a hard image to forget. A young girl, naked, runs screaming toward the camera in agony after a napalm attack incinerated her village, her clothes, and then her skin.

That girl is Kim Phuc. She was 9 years old in 1972 when she was photographed, screaming in pain, after a U.S. commander ordered South Vietnamese planes to drop napalm near her village.”
The Widely Misunderstood Story Behind The Iconic Image Of "Napalm Girl"

Girl from iconic photo of Vietnam War to give talk
 

Yeshua1

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92 tapes were destroyed by the CIA in November 2005 after a report by Inspector General John L. Helgerson’s office determined that they depicted "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, as defined by the international Convention Against Torture".
Firsthand Accounts | waterboarding.org

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture. They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.' "
"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke. It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."
— Erich “Mancow” Muller, NBC Chicago, May 22, 2009

I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture."
— Christopher Hitchens, "Believe Me, It’s Torture", Vanity Fair, August 2008

"It sounded like when we are really in pain, choking in water. The sound was screaming, from the throat. I suppose they could not bear the torture. Whenever we heard the noises we were really shocked and scared. We thought one day they will do the same thing to us."
Is it torture?
"Yes, it is severe torture. We could try it and see how we would react if we are choking under water for just two minutes. It is very serious."
— Van Nath, Survivor recalls horrors of Cambodia genocide, CNN April 7, 2008
They were in NO danger of dying, nor of being permanently wounded, a far cry from those who got beheaded/burnt!
 

Yeshua1

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How do you do that? Napalm is spewed indiscriminately out of an airplane.

It’s a hard image to forget. A young girl, naked, runs screaming toward the camera in agony after a napalm attack incinerated her village, her clothes, and then her skin.

That girl is Kim Phuc. She was 9 years old in 1972 when she was photographed, screaming in pain, after a U.S. commander ordered South Vietnamese planes to drop napalm near her village.”
The Widely Misunderstood Story Behind The Iconic Image Of "Napalm Girl"

Girl from iconic photo of Vietnam War to give talk
Things happen in war time, do you see the US Military on same terms as Isis than? Both willing to be equally bad?
 

Rippon

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He was a war hero.
He was and is a traitor. He was used as a propaganda tool. He made 30-some anti-American broadcasts. To me
he's the male version of Jane Fonda.

He was in on that phony Steele dossier to Comey.

His record in the senate is of someone who is against the Constitution.

The hammer is going to come down on him probably in June unless he kills himself ahead of time.

Lots of people are going down this summer.
 

Reynolds

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He was and is a traitor. He was used as a propaganda tool. He made 30-some anti-American broadcasts. To me
he's the male version of Jane Fonda.

He was in on that phony Steele dossier to Comey.

His record in the senate is of someone who is against the Constitution.

The hammer is going to come down on him probably in June unless he kills himself ahead of time.

Lots of people are going down this summer.
Of all things to quote, you snip my sarcasm and make it look like I admire the weasel.
 
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