I never said 'every' instance regarded 'only' fornication but the fact still remains not either one of the above passages are speaking to the health and well being of the body. Truthfully, it can't even be said to be implied. The above are speaking specifically and intentionally regarding their spiritual state of being -and defilement in BOTH places have nothing to do (neither specifically nor implied) with the physical body whatsoever.
No, but you try to make the separation of "defiling" from the physical body and unrelate the many clear complexities of what the temple consists of to avoid any relationship between the two by a method of requiring specificity to be implied from within one one verse and seem to not want to make comparisons when it is not convenient to your course.
I'm sure you remember Jesus statin (regarding food), it is not what goes into the man that defiles him but what comes out.. and a bit later He states that eating with 'unwashed hands' (yuk!) does not defile a man.
Although I would agree that the physical things we put in our body will not hurt the soul this can not be practically taken as a license to abuse the physical body in any sense of the word. Of course, we are not under any law to wash our hands to be saved, but it seems you strive to take that to an extreme
separation of the person's (body/spirit/soul) in order to interpret the meaning of “defile” to not relate to the physical…it doesn’t mean you will not get harmful germs living that way Allan. :tongue3:
Thus the we KNOW the defiling being spoken of by Paul, in relation to the body has NOTHING to do with being healthy or slim.
I think you are going to far to prove defiling has "NOTHING" to do with the physical.
In a sense of fornication does the temple relate to the physical body or just spiritual?
Is the temple we not to defile separated spiritual from physical; are we separated that way?
If the temple is a bodily group is the fornication spoken of referring to an orgy, or can it be looked at as individual?
And what does defiling mean and relate to if you don't stretch to make such separations?
That said, frankly, the body/temple would not be my first line of argument to support taking care of the physical body. There are too many generalities to cover, but having “nothing” to do with being healthy physically would have to make a separation of oneself (body/spirit/soul) that I would not specifically set out to do. (Read my response to "unbibical posturing below).
As noted above, your statement is based off of an unbiblical postulation.
No where in scripture does it speak to or mandate people, much less believers, to be 'healthy' or 'slim'. This does not mean it might not be better, but my point is that 'scripture' makes no such mandate or allusions to such.
When I interpret I use the biblical method of comparing scriptures as per Isaiah 38:9-13 and I look at 2 Tim 2:15, “rightly dividing” to mean making a straight clean cut into the Word and examining it as a whole and not as a dissection where this can only mean that and that can only mean this. This is not “unbiblical postulating” you should probably save that argument for your dispensational hermeneutics proof-texting exercises. :smilewinkgrin:
Again, please show where I said "gluttony is said not to REFER to overeating".
I said gluttony is not THE SIN OF overeating.
I acknowledged that glutton can REFER to eating but not overeating in general.. IOW - not 'overeating' as in past full (which of course is not defined by scripture either).
Gluttony is clearly seen to relate to over-indulgence whether it is referring to wine or food. A little wine, in my view, is neither harmful nor do I think a good biblical case can be made for total abstinence, but
over-indulgence is harmful to the body and the spirit. Food and wine are defined together within a clear meaning relating to over-indulgence and this certainly pertains to wisdom and many other instructions we are given throughout the Bible to maintain “
self-control”.
Can a very heavy man stand up and preach about self-control and not appear as a hypocrite?
Overeating can be biblically linked to sin in several ways, it is a sin against one’s own physical body; an example of a sin that is against one’s body is “children obeying their parents that they may live longer”. Overeating is a lack of self-control and certainly be defined by scripture that it is sin (missing the mark) in that aspect.
BTW, if i was going to support an argument about it being a sin to over-eat I would begin with {Self Control Issues}.
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