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SaggyWoman

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I read an ad for a church in today's paper. It reads:

Ask yourself these questions.

Do you believe...

* That Paul is your apostle, not Peter or anyone else.
* That the church is the body of Christ, not the bride of Christ.
* The message given to Paul is different from that given to Peter.
* That the gospel of the kingdome given to Peter "and" the gospel of grace given to Paul are not the same.
* That all the Bible is for me but is not all to me.
* That Romans through Philemon are the only books addressed to you.
* The Division of the Bible is not between the Old and New testaments but is between Moses and Paul, Law and grace.
* The church is to follow Paul only.

If you have said "yes" to these questions, there is a place for you at ______________ Baptist Church.

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What are your thoughts on participating in this church?
 
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swaimj

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Sounds like an ultra-dispensationalist church. It is probably independent and non-affiliated.
 
Scarlett O.

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* The church is to follow Paul only.
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Of all the criteria in that church's advertisement, this one bothers me the most. I know that they meant (albeit erroneously) to say, but it this one makes me grit my teeth.

(**Edited to say that why aren't they spelling out their following of Jesus Christ.)
 
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SaggyWoman

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Scarlett O. said:
Of all the criteria in that church's advertisement, this one bothers me the most. I know that they meant (albeit erroneously) to say, but it this one makes me grit my teeth.
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What bothers me is they are more interested in Peter and Paul and not JESUS!!!

Enough already.
 
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OldRegular

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It is my understanding that hyper dispensationalists believe that only the Prison Epistles of Paul are applicable to the Church. There was a hyper on this Forum before I got off in 2006, Iuttutt or something similar was his moniker.
 
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SaggyWoman

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And another thing....why would this be a draw for me to go there? To me, it reeks of "Stay Away!!" There was no address listed in the ad, nor times of worship.
 
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SaggyWoman

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Are you kidding me!!! I just looked them up in the yellow pages...... in the Yellow Pages they are listed under SBC churches (not always is this a sincere connection.) Ack.
 
Crabtownboy

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SaggyWoman said:
What bothers me is they are more interested in Peter and Paul and not JESUS!!!

Enough already.
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I find that a rather common mistake by many American Christians. As a test watch how often Paul is quoted on this BB and how seldom Christ is quoted or mentioned.
 
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Marcia

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Crabtownboy said:
I find that a rather common mistake by many American Christians. As a test watch how often Paul is quoted on this BB and how seldom Christ is quoted or mentioned.
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I don't think that is a disparagement of Jesus. Paul did write most of the epistles to the church and addresses the issues for daily Christian living. These are based on what Jesus taught. There is no conflict or distinction to me between Jesus and Paul but there is a difference in terms of what Jesus was doing before the crucifixion and ascension and what Paul was doing.

We have more specific directives from Paul (and other epistles).

Btw, the only statement I think I agree with is that the all the Bible is written for me but not all to me.
 
Crabtownboy

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Marcia said:
I don't think that is a disparagement of Jesus. Paul did write most of the epistles to the church and addresses the issues for daily Christian living. These are based on what Jesus taught. There is no conflict or distinction to me between Jesus and Paul but there is a difference in terms of what Jesus was doing before the crucifixion and ascension and what Paul was doing.

We have more specific directives from Paul (and other epistles).

Btw, the only statement I think I agree with is that the all the Bible is written for me but not all to me.
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I tend to agree with your statement. Where I see the problem is where people use Paul's writings in attempting to support positions that I do not believe Christ would agree with. This is not a criticism of Paul, but of the misuse of Paul's writings.

But, as I said, watch how often Paul is mentioned, and now often Paul's writings are quoted, and how seldom Christ is mentioned or how seldome his teachings are quoted.
 
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Tom Butler

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Crabtownboy said:
Where I see the problem is where people use Paul's writings in attempting to support positions that I do not believe Christ would agree with. This is not a criticism of Paul, but of the misuse of Paul's writings.
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Especially since Paul claimed that he had been taught directly by the Lord Jesus. I'm always a bit leery of folks who try to array Jesus against Paul.
 
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This set of Scripture applies here...

1 Corinthians 1:10-17 niv
(10) I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.
(11) My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
(12) What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas[1]"; still another, "I follow Christ."
(13) Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into[2] the name of Paul?
(14) I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
(15) so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
(16) (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.)
(17) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Christ the Wisdom and Power of God
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RAdam

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I see no distinction between the epistles Paul wrote and the words of Jesus Christ in the gospel accounts. Jesus was literally speaking the "red words", while Paul was writing by inspiration of the Holy Ghost. Same difference.

The reason Paul is quoted so much is because of how and what he wrote. What we have recorded of what Jesus said was mostly sermons he preached. Now, just as you point to Jesus not being quoted as much as the epistles of Paul, you won't see Paul's sermons from Acts quoted as much either. The reason is the difference in presentation and content. In Romans for instance, Paul is writing systematically, developing major points and supporting those points while shooting down false ideas and conclusions. It's very heady stuff, in fact Peter says there are some things hard to be understood in his writings. Now, contrast this with the sermons Paul preached in Acts. Paul isn't teaching something contrary or more or less important in either case, but style and content are different.

One isn't more or less important than the other, although I would argue that an increased study of the gospel accounts is something we should try to do.
 
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go2church

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Dispensationalism carried to it's natural conclusion. When you start dividing up scripture where do you stop?
 
Tom Bryant

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I find that a rather common mistake by many American Christians. As a test watch how often Paul is quoted on this BB and how seldom Christ is quoted or mentioned.
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Where I see the problem is where people use Paul's writings in attempting to support positions that I do not believe Christ would agree with. This is not a criticism of Paul, but of the misuse of Paul's writings.
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At worst, this is the same kind of false teaching that showed the need for the resurgence in the SBC. That somehow Paul taught things that Jesus wouldn't have approved of.

At best, it shows a smug superiority that infers that American believers and theologians are not quite as spiritually mature as our European brethren. When we grow up into the complete knowledge of understanding that our European friends have, we will embrace their viewpoints.

Paul is not at odds with Jesus. The "red letters" are not more important than the normal letters. Paul's teaching and Jesus teaching are one and the same.
 
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