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ituttut

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OldRegular said:
Originally Posted by ituttut
How wonderful that others do believe the Gospel of Paul, given to Him by Christ Jesus from heaven.

OldRregular: i know I shouldn't mentioned that name, misspelled though it was!
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Hey OR. I see you still disapprove of Paul, and his gospel revealed to him by Christ Jesus in heaven.

I know it is difficult for you to believe that the Word of God (Jesus Christ, the Son of God) created, and saw that it was good to make division of heaven, and earth. Then He went a step further dividing the Light from the Darkness. O' My you say, "this must stop for we have no idea where these divisions will stop". God is the Beginning and the End, showing a separation, and He can bring them together again.

But God says Old Regular, "please listen for just a minute, and let me go one step further and divide the waters from the waters". Old Regular He says, "please just give me a little time, and I will bring all things back together again".

Have you not read Old Regular where I parted the Red Sea, and then brought it back together again? God says I can do such things as this, and I sure hope you believe me. If you will, knowing you do Love your Lord Jesus Christ, read again how I will bring together again Heaven and Earth in the end, and Light will be brought together with the Dark, and Light and Dark coming together again, the Light shall prevail. However this division shall remain, for I will cast those unbelieving children of Israel into utter Darkness, Jesus says three times in Matthew.

Damascus Road really did happen, and Peter tells His people it will be very hard to believe the wisdom that Christ Jesus gave to Paul, but they better believe him.

We are not justified as was Peter, and the other Apostles, therefore it is very difficult for the Jew to believe, these Covenant People of God, for they had it pounded into their heads that the Gentiles were dogs.We Christians should understand this, for they are not as we. God back then did not claim the Gentile, but He would not turn any away, if they wished to become a proselyte to the Jewish faith. They then were also justification by faith.

But we Gentiles have no defense for we were never promised anything. We can ignore Paul, and somehow believe we have become ISRAEL, and try to stand on that foundation laid down by Peter, while also trying to stand on the foundation that Paul laid, they both being laid on the foundation of Jesus Christ. On Peter's foundation we see they will inherit the earth, and that will come. Building on the foundation laid down by Paul, we are immediately circumcised, and baptized into the Body of Christ.

Scripture tells us there are different Kingdoms, but only One Body Of Christ. I look for the rapture, which will come first, not waiting for that Kingdom that was at hand to come. It will come, but not until after we are united in Christ Jesus; And in this position we can never be cast out into Utter Darkness.
 
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OldRegular

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go2church said:
Allegories are usually hidden messages within the text. I don't think there is anything allegorical about Revelation, pretty clear what is going to happen. I believe it is apocalyptic, written in a specific style/ genre to encourage the believers of that day and today that though things may look bad now, in the end Jesus returns as conquering judge to bring to an ultimate conclusion what was begun earlier. It really is a picture of victory for the believer.

Interesting enough, it is the dispensational school that often uses allegorical methods in understanding Revelation. Fire from heaven as nuclear bombs, UPC codes as the mark of the beast, picking and choosing empires while skipping over others to fit the statue in Daniel, counting up letters from people's name to "reveal" the anti-christ again and again as the last guy dies. Seven hills as Rome or New York or wherever seven hills are popping out of the ground.
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I like the one where Hal Lindsey’s claims that the description of the locusts fits that of a Cobra helicopter such as those used in Vietnam and that the means of torment is a kind of nerve gas sprayed from the tail.
 
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sag38

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Unless proven other wise I'll take the Bible's descriptions of these locusts at face value. And, apart from the Marines, the Cobra isn't being used anymore.
 
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OldRegular

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sag38 said:
Unless proven other wise I'll take the Bible's descriptions of these locusts at face value. And, apart from the Marines, the Cobra isn't being used anymore.
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Some of the allegorization of Revelation destroys the dispensational concept of the any moment rapture. Just think God had to wait for the Cobra helicopter and the thermonuclear bomb before He could rapture the Church and start the GREAT tribulation.:thumbs:
 
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Marcia

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go2church said:
allegory |ˈaləˌgôrē|
noun ( pl. -ries)
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one : Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey.
• the genre to which such works belong.
• a symbol.

I guess we just have different dictionaries
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I guess so. But I was a Lit major and also in the occult. There is a big difference between "hidden" meanings and symbolic meanings in an allegory.

A hidden meaning is usually one that you must be told about; you cannot get it from the text (or whatever is being used). For example astrology is based on hidden meanings. You cannot, without someone telling you, know by looking at the planet Uranus what it means in astrology. The meaning is esoteric and hidden (and actually does not exist, but that's another story).

One can get deduce the meaning of an allegory by reading it. It is not hard to see the message of Pilgrims Progress, but I bet you can't look at a Tarot Card (unless you practiced reading them) and know what it "means."
 
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OldRegular

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Marcia said:
The meaning is esoteric and hidden (and actually does not exist, but that's another story).
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This is the way i feel about dispensationalism. One has to be schooled in it; it does not come from a natural reading of Scripture. The old Saints were not blind leading the blind for 1800 years.
 
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Marcia

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OldRegular said:
This is the way i feel about dispensationalism. One has to be schooled in it; it does not come from a natural reading of Scripture. The old Saints were not blind leading the blind for 1800 years.
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Can you possibly comment on a thread without slamming dispensationalism? This kind of attitude is getting very tiring. T
 
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tinytim

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If Dispensationalism is a false doctrine, then it is as dangerous, even more dangerous than New Age/ Occultism...

The reason, it has truth in it And Christians are being deceived.
 
Marcia

Marcia

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tinytim said:
If Dispensationalism is a false doctrine, then it is as dangerous, even more dangerous than New Age/ Occultism...

The reason, it has truth in it And Christians are being deceived.
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I strongly disagree! Believing in the New Age or the occult means you are lost.

Are you saying that dispensationalists are lost?
 
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OldRegular

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Marcia please read the post. tinytim said Christians are being deceived! I agreed! However, Christians are never lost!
 
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Allan

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OldRegular said:
Does the truth hurt?
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I'm not Marcia however ..
The answer is most likely no. It is trying to debate subjects and issues with a Christian attitude when the other person is seemingly full of arrogance, self-conceit, pride, and a lack or grace in the matter and toward the person. It is this 'kind of attitude' is that becomes very tiring.
 
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Allan

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Marcia said:
I strongly disagree! Believing in the New Age or the occult means you are lost.

Are you saying that dispensationalists are lost?
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Marcia, Tiny stated "IF" it was wrong.. 'IF' and not that it is.

I think, but might be wrong, but I think that Tiny is a dispensationalist himself.
 
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OldRegular

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Allan said:
I'm not Marcia however ..
The answer is most likely no. It is trying to debate subjects and issues with a Christian attitude when the other person is seemingly full of arrogance, self-conceit, pride, and a lack or grace in the matter and toward the person. It is this 'kind of attitude' is that becomes very tiring.
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If you don't like them don't read them.
 
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OldRegular

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Allan said:
No, go back and read it for yourself again. He said "IF" despensationalism wrong.. not that it IS.
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I did not make any comment on whether dispensationalism was or was not wrong in my post to Marcia. I simply noted that tinytim said Christians are being deceived. Marcia was apparently concerned that the argument was being made that dispensationalists were not Christians. I simply was trying to assure her that tinytim had not said that.

Allan you take every opportunity to make some smart aleck remark to me. You would do well to take your own advice or be hypocritical!

Allan"s advice that he needs to follow
It is trying to debate subjects and issues with a Christian attitude when the other person is seemingly full of arrogance, self-conceit, pride, and a lack or grace in the matter and toward the person. It is this 'kind of attitude' is that becomes very tiring.
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