GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST

[Walter]

So Jesus is a mighty god to you. but not almighty God? Same heresy as Sda and JW hold and confess?

Question for you. My next door neighbors are United Pentecostal and, of course, that makes them Oneness. They show all the fruits of the Spirit. They are at our house daily to pray for healing of my wife whose health is quickly failing. Would you say that their confusion over the Trinity puts them outside of Christianity?

 

[Van]

Here is one claim from the Opening Post:
Jesus Christ in not the Original GOD but only the Mirror Image of Original GOD Whom we call Father.

This claim is unbiblical and therefore false.
John 1:1 NASB
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Scripture teaches the "Word" existed in the beginning and was God, not a mirror image of the original God.
John 1:14 NASB
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Here the "Word" became flesh and dwelt among us. Thus the Word is God incarnate. In Matthew 1:21-25 we see that Jesus came to save His people, and was called God with us.

John 1:29 NASB
The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him, and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Here we see that Jesus would take away the sin of people, thus fulfilling the mission of the Word to save His people.

Now while "in the flesh" Jesus revealed God to people through his teachings and behavior and miracles, thus Jesus was the image of our invisible God, not just the Person of the Father, but of our Triune God. Colossians 1:15. And when Jesus rose from the dead, He became the firstborn of all believers who are born anew, siblings of Christ Jesus.

In summary, Jesus is God Almighty, Christ, our Savior, and our Lord.

"Christ" refers to the person anointed by God, and could be translated as "Anointed One." Thus, in 1 Corinthians 11:3, our Triune God is head of His Anointed One. Yes, the Anointed One's mission on earth as the Lamb of God was to provide the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity, taking that direction from God the Father.

 

[JesusFan]

Question for you. My next door neighbors are United Pentecostal and, of course, that makes them Oneness. They show all the fruits of the Spirit. They are at our house daily to pray for healing of my wife whose health is quickly failing. Would you say that their confusion over the Trinity puts them outside of Christianity?

yes, as they have another God of their making, and hold that one must speak in tongues and must be water baptized just in name of Jesus to be really saved, so another gospel

 

[Walter]

yes, as they have another God of their making, and hold that one must speak in tongues and must be water baptized just in name of Jesus to be really saved, so another gospel

Thank you for your reply. I am not that familiar with their doctrines. I know they believe that being baptized in Jesus name (only) is part of their teachings. I know some Assembly of God churches insist that speaking in tongues is a sign of a true believer and my neighbors have a real emphasis upon it. I have leaned toward thinking that they are badly confused on the nature of God and hold to the same error as Arius did.

I find it interesting that in my town we have a United Pentecostal church on one side of the street that holds to Oneness theology and an Apostolic Pentecostal church across from them that is Trinitarian (according to the sign on their church). Most protestant Apostolic churches I have known of are Oneness so this one is unusual. I suspect this Trinitarian one baptizes using the biblical model but I don't know where they stand on the necessity of baptism for salvation.

I also suspect it is very difficult for many Christians who aren't that familiar with Oneness teaching to see these people being outside of the Body of Christ. As I said, I recognize the fruits of The Spirit in them and they claim a faith and trust in Jesus for their salvation.

Another, question for you that is off topic. Do you consider Church of Christ members to be non-Christian for their belief that baptism is necessary for salvation? Do you consider this another gospel? I think you already covered SDA.

 

[JesusFan]

Thank you for your reply. I am not that familiar with their doctrines. I know they believe that being baptized in Jesus name (only) is part of their teachings. I know some Assembly of God churches insist that speaking in tongues is a sign of a true believer and my neighbors have a real emphasis upon it. I have leaned toward thinking that they are badly confused on the nature of God and hold to the same error as Arius did.

I find it interesting that in my town we have a United Pentecostal church on one side of the street that holds to Oneness theology and an Apostolic Pentecostal church across from them that is Trinitarian (according to the sign on their church). Most protestant Apostolic churches I have known of are Oneness so this one is unusual. I suspect this Trinitarian one baptizes using the biblical model but I don't know where they stand on the necessity of baptism for salvation.

I also suspect it is very difficult for many Christians who aren't that familiar with Oneness teaching to see these people being outside of the Body of Christ. As I said, I recognize the fruits of The Spirit in them and they claim a faith and trust in Jesus for their salvation.

Another, question for you that is off topic. Do you consider Church of Christ members to be non-Christian for their belief that baptism is necessary for salvation? Do you consider this another gospel? I think you already covered SDA.

I think that their official stance would be adding works to grace, but that many are still saved despite that error by grace of God, as while they error on water baptism, still have right God

 

[Walter]

I think that their official stance would be adding works to grace, but that many are still saved despite that error by grace of God, as while they error on water baptism, still have right God

Thanks again for responding. I believe that way about many different Christian sects. If a person has the right relationship with Christ, that is what matters to God. Having errors in doctrine or misunderstandings about scripture is not something preventing a person from being saved.

 

[Ben Yissaachar]

​	John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, The LORD of me and The God of me.
​	YESHUA saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου

Ho Kyrios mou kai ho Theos mou

The LORD of me and The God of me

​	Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the Ekklesia of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood.