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God and time

Van

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Is God bound in time so that he cannot operate outside of time?
Asked and answered. God is all powerful. Recall me posting that? Are we supposed to believe this particular poster does not know God is all powerful, or cannot understand my posts. Of course not, so what is left? Deflection and denial on display. God has chosen to operate within time in His eternal kingdom. This view is supported by scripture. Ask yourselves what scripture says God operates without regard for time, such that He never plans, or makes decisions based on our choices? None, Zip, nada is the answer. Folks, see post #86!!!!!
 

Particular

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Asked and answered. God is all powerful. Recall me posting that? Are we supposed to believe this particular poster does not know God is all powerful, or cannot understand my posts. Of course not, so what is left? Deflection and denial on display. God has chosen to operate within time in His eternal kingdom. This view is supported by scripture. Ask yourselves what scripture says God operates without regard for time, such that He never plans, or makes decisions based on our choices? None, Zip, nada is the answer. Folks, see post #86!!!!!
That's a long response to say that God acts outside of time.
 

Van

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That's a long response to say that God acts outside of time.
Utterly false effort at deflection and denial. Only false doctrine needs to be defended by misrepresentations.
Notice the absence of a quote?

God is all powerful. Recall me posting that? Are we supposed to believe this particular poster does not know God is all powerful, or cannot understand my posts. Of course not, so what is left? Deflection and denial on display. God has chosen to operate within time in His eternal kingdom. This view is supported by scripture. Ask yourselves what scripture says God operates without regard for time, such that He never plans, or makes decisions based on our choices? None, Zip, nada is the answer. Folks, see post #86!!!!!
 

Particular

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Utterly false effort at deflection and denial. Only false doctrine needs to be defended by misrepresentations.
Notice the absence of a quote?

God is all powerful. Recall me posting that? Are we supposed to believe this particular poster does not know God is all powerful, or cannot understand my posts. Of course not, so what is left? Deflection and denial on display. God has chosen to operate within time in His eternal kingdom. This view is supported by scripture. Ask yourselves what scripture says God operates without regard for time, such that He never plans, or makes decisions based on our choices? None, Zip, nada is the answer. Folks, see post #86!!!!!
Yep, God is all powerful so God exists both inside and outside of time.
Good of you to acknowledge this truth.
 

37818

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So in C. S. Lewis' Mere Christianity, he puts forth that God is a being that exists outside of time. What does this mean?
It means a false God. God is the uncaused reality in which all existent things have existence, God being infinite and omnipresent. Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . For in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."

Psalms 90:2, ". . . from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. . . ."
 

Particular

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no but why are you dodging the question?

Where did God live before the Creation?
The I Am existed.

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I Am who I Am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I Am has sent me to you.’”

It seems you are anthropomorphizing God. Where does a being who is ever present live? The answer is: Where doesn't the I Am live? God is the I Am.
 

HankD

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The I Am existed.

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I Am who I Am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I Am has sent me to you.’”

It seems you are anthropomorphizing God. Where does a being who is ever present live? The answer is: Where doesn't the I Am live? God is the I Am.
the question is one that was asked by my theology professor almost 50 years ago.

your non-answer doesn't satisfy most seekers and in my younger days when i had strength to minister to others there were many questions especially when i was a youth director. - other answers

Heaven, as an eternal extension of GOD. it could be created, (yes created in/from eternity) or even uncreated.
its unrevealed.
 

Particular

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the question is one that was asked by my theology professor almost 50 years ago.

your non-answer doesn't satisfy most seekers and in my younger days when i had strength to minister to others there were many questions especially when i was a youth director. - other answers

Heaven, as an eternal extension of GOD. it could be created, (yes created in/from eternity) or even uncreated.
its unrevealed.

The fact that you declare my answer as a "non-answer" shows that you simply reject what scripture shares.
You are set in stone so that scripture will not persuade you.

God is I Am. What does I Am mean to you?

For me, I Am means God is not an anthropomorphic being who is located in one place. God is everywhere at once. Therefore your original question is fully answered by God's declaration that he is...I Am.

Hank, what odd-ball theology do you hold?
 

Yeshua1

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The fact that you declare my answer as a "non-answer" shows that you simply reject what scripture shares.
You are set in stone so that scripture will not persuade you.

God is I Am. What does I Am mean to you?

For me, I Am means God is not an anthropomorphic being who is located in one place. God is everywhere at once. Therefore your original question is fully answered by God's declaration that he is...I Am.

Hank, what odd-ball theology do you hold?
Hopefully not heading down ole Open theism highway, along with Van!
 

HankD

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The fact that you declare my answer as a "non-answer" shows that you simply reject what scripture shares.
You are set in stone so that scripture will not persuade you.

God is I Am. What does I Am mean to you?

For me, I Am means God is not an anthropomorphic being who is located in one place. God is everywhere at once. Therefore your original question is fully answered by God's declaration that he is...I Am.

Hank, what odd-ball theology do you hold?
God's presence everywhere always is traditional omnipresence which i accept.

anthropomorphic : So what - though He created us we share His image and likeness which He gave us in His creation.
Also God has appeared on earth in theophanies and the bible is full of anthropomorphic representations of God.

We find multiple examples of anthropomorphism in Scripture. For example, God is described as having an arm (Job 40:9), a back (Exod. 33:21-23), breath (Job 33:4), ears (2 Sam. 22:7), eyes (Ps. 34:15), a face (Exod. 33:11), feet (Gen. 3:8), fingers (Deut. 9:10), hair (Dan. 7:9), a hand (Ps. 95:4-5), a head (Dan. 7:9), a heart (2 Chron. 7:16), lips (Ps. 89:34), a mouth (Deut. 8:3), nostrils (2 Sam. 22:9, 16), shoulders (Deut. 33:12), a tongue (Isa. 30:27), and a voice (Exod. 3:4). Moreover, God is said to give birth (Deut. 32:18), hear (Num. 11:18), laugh (Ps. 37:13), see (Ps. 10:11), sit (Ps. 29:10), smell (Gen. 8:21), stand (Amos 7:7), walk (Gen. 3:8), and watch (Gen. 31:49). As well, God is said to experience joy (Isa. 65:19), grief (Judg. 10:16), anger (Deut. 1:37), hatred (Ps. 5:5-6), and love (Jer. 31:3). Relational terms are also used of God, including Shepherd (Ps. 23:1), Judge (Gen. 18:25), Bridegroom (Mark 2:19-20), and Husband (Isa. 54:5).

Recognizing and Interpreting Anthropomorphic Language - Christian Research Institute

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Lastly He became a man and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory.

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Personally, for my question, a non-answer is fine.
 

Particular

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God's presence everywhere always is traditional omnipresence which i accept.

anthropomorphic : So what - though He created us we share His image and likeness which He gave us in His creation.
Also God has appeared on earth in theophanies and the bible is full of anthropomorphic representations of God.



Recognizing and Interpreting Anthropomorphic Language - Christian Research Institute

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Lastly He became a man and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory.

Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Personally, for my question, a non-answer is fine.
You are ducking and running in your response. The specific issue is whether God is held within time. The answer is no. Why? Because God is the I Am.
 

Yeshua1

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You are ducking and running in your response. The specific issue is whether God is held within time. The answer is no. Why? Because God is the I Am.
God is everywhere, but not in same sense as a pantheistic god would be seen as being!
 

HankD

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You are ducking and running in your response. The specific issue is whether God is held within time. The answer is no. Why? Because God is the I Am.
agreed. but my question was - where did God dwell before creation?
 
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